Thursday, February 22, 2018
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[13:23:18] <Guus> JC, it'd be good to have a list of comm-team members, and a chair
[13:23:30] <Guus> Hopefully, we can put that to a board vote later today
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[13:31:36] <Seve> The list was on the first mail, right? We are messing a chair.
[13:32:24] <Guus> oh, right. it is in the mail
[13:32:31] <Seve> I guess Winfried also
[13:32:35] <Guus> I only remembered the 'open team' aspect that was described
[13:32:38] <Guus> but you're right
[13:32:59] <Seve> Missing, not messing, sorry.
[13:33:05] <Seve> It's me messing with the keyboard..
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[14:11:12] <jcbrand> Guus, Seve: yes, everybody in the original email plus Winfried Tilanus
[14:11:47] <jcbrand> Guus, Seve: concerning a chair, if no one else wants to, I'm willing to chair
[14:13:11] <jcbrand> SaltyBones, nyco: ^
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[14:40:29] <SaltyBones> Whatwhatwhat?
[14:40:36] <SaltyBones> Oh yeah JC should do it!
[14:43:10] <Guus> this is being discussed in @xsf now
[14:50:21] <Seve> I'm on the street so I cannot check, I agree with jcbrand chairing.
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[15:17:38] <Guus> The board just voted in favor of establishing the communcations work team again, in compliance with all things discussed on the mailinglist, and JC as chair. There was one difference; as our bylaws prohibits non-XSF members to be part of a work team, SaltyBones could not be voted in the team.
[15:17:49] <Guus> please take that as a hint to sign up as a member, SaltyBones :)
[15:18:18] <jc> Great news, thanks Guus
[15:19:11] <Guus> we've further discussed with iteam (intosi was present) that they'll facilitate giving team members access to the resources they need (think the github repo and social media accounts). I suggest that you compile a list of github and twitter account names, and ask iteam for access
[15:21:44] <Guus> I neglected to explicitly add Winfried to the member list - I overlooked
[15:23:05] <SouL> SeveFP is my github
[15:23:28] <SouL> Standing on the train, not much I can do typing with one hand.
[15:23:29] <Guus> JC, can you arrange for access with iteam (intosi)? No need for me to be a middle man there.
[15:24:07] <Guus> oh, intosi already made a github group for you, that JC can manage
[15:24:42] <jc> Guus: will do
[15:31:40] <Guus> might I suggest that one of the first things you guys do is re-instate a public work team page again, similar to https://xmpp.org/about/xsf/editor-team ? :)
[15:32:33] <Guus> I'm excited for this to have happened! Looking forward to see what we can make of this!
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[17:55:02] <jc> Thanks for your help with this Guus
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[17:56:56] <Guus> jc: happy to
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[18:21:03] <Daniel_W> oh wow, I woke up late and a lot of stuff has happened today. I will have to review guidelines for what it means to be on an offical work team (this is new to me, so if I'm stumbling around, don't mind me)
[18:21:04] <Neustradamus> The commteam is not complete in email it is normal?
[18:23:59] <Neustradamus> There are forgotten things, no?
Winfried and me are not in the list
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[18:53:30] <jcbrand> Neustradamus: did you ever request to be part of the team?
[18:53:51] <jcbrand> We forgot about Winfried, will ask that he gets added still
[18:54:16] <Daniel_W> Is there an established way to add members to a workteam?
[18:54:33] <jcbrand> Daniel_W: members need to be approved by the board
[18:54:54] <jcbrand> But before that happens they need to at least indicate their desire to be on the team :)
[18:55:32] <jcbrand> I wrote an email the the XSF members list, with an initial member list ;)
[18:55:56] <jcbrand> Afterwards Winfried indicated he wants to be on the team as well
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[18:57:05] <Seve> Thank you very much Guus
[18:57:09] <Seve> Also thanks to jcbrand
[18:57:42] <Seve> SaltyBones, will you apply for membership? What a surprise, I thought all participants at the Summit were members.
[18:57:51] <Seve> (except invited people)
[18:57:55] <Seve> A positive surprise, I mean!
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[19:23:54] <SaltyBones> I honestly have no clue how to even do that... ;)
[19:24:42] <Daniel_W> https://xmpp.org/community/membership.html
[19:24:53] <Daniel_W> basically edit a wiki page about yourself, and wait for the votes
[19:26:32] <Guus> > Currently three work teams are chartered and active:
[19:26:40] <Guus> And it then lists 4
[19:26:53] <Guus> My bad 😂
[19:27:35] <Guus> When you guys add Comms, can you please fix that too? You all should have access to the github repo now!
[19:31:51] <Seve> Oh that's cool
[19:32:04] <Neustradamus> I have sent a message here, I contact you in private (no reply) and no changes here: https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/CommTeam and in the mail on members@, no date for the beginning...
[19:33:07] <Neustradamus> jcbrand is not here oups
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[19:41:55] <Seve> Guus, what is the page you quoted the "Currently three work teams..."?
[19:42:20] <Seve> Neustradamus, sorry, what do you mean?
[19:45:00] <Guus> Seve, this one: https://xmpp.org/community/membership.html
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[19:51:50] <Seve> Guus, ok thanks
[19:57:48] <Guus> I'll add the old https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/CommTeam page back to the wiki sidebar
[19:57:51] <Guus> can you guys fix the content?
[19:58:40] <Seve> Yes, we have to check together what we put there and such
[19:59:29] <Seve> Guus, do you think it is ok if I fix the 'three' to 'four' for now? While we get more things in place? Or I shouldn't?
[19:59:47] <Guus> Seve, go for it
[20:00:03] <Guus> Also, feel free to take ownership
[20:01:08] <Guus> As a member of the Communications Work Team we trust you to use your best judgement here - that's the reason why I like having such a team
[20:02:01] <Guus> Also, as long as you know how to undo a certain change, I'm happy for you to make mistakes.
[20:02:12] <Guus> Have you seen the readme, that lists how you can test changes locally?
[20:03:14] <Seve> Guus, thank you, I'm checking!
[20:10:24] <Neustradamus> (A lot of my work has been lost with the server crash... And I have not saved).
Hope that now that there are backups...
[20:12:38] <Guus> Neustradamus, if you refer to the wiki server crash - that was about a year ago. Any backups we had are already used.
[20:13:23] <Neustradamus> Yes yes, a lot of datas have been lost...
[20:13:54] <Neustradamus> Hope that now, it will be better for do not lost again
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[20:28:19] <Neustradamus> Between 21 June 2017‎ to 21 October 2015‎ nothing
It was me who was updating the main page and applications part with Alex
Not to mention other contributions...
[20:29:54] <Seve> Neustradamus, we will take care of it from now on. I'm sorry, I know how you feel but we have to look forward and learn from that.
[20:31:36] <Neustradamus> Like I have already informed on the xsf mucroom, a missing link: http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/faq/
[20:42:18] <Guus> where did you find that link? https://xmpp.org/about/faq.html does work
[20:53:20] <Neustradamus> On the Web
[20:53:27] <Neustradamus> It is a missing redirection
[20:54:11] <Neustradamus> It was from the old website
[21:05:44] <Guus> If we don't link to this from our own sources any more, I'm less concerned.
[21:08:23] <Neustradamus> But a redirection is done on the webserver...
[21:10:25] <Guus> ?
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[21:12:51] <Neustradamus> The server has a lot of url rewritting...
[21:13:03] <Neustradamus> It is one to add
[21:13:48] <Guus> Agreed, that'd be nice.
[21:14:11] <Guus> but again, if there's no-one linking to this... not the highest of priorities.
[21:14:49] <Seve> Neustradamus, what is http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/faq/? Redirect to https://xmpp.org/about/faq.html ?
[21:17:20] <Neustradamus> http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/faq/ must be redirected to https://xmpp.org/about/faq.html
[21:18:15] <Neustradamus> Like http://xmpp.org/xmpp-software/clients/ for example...
[21:20:44] <Seve> Neustradamus, but we don't point anywhere to there, I don't get why is needed.
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[21:26:22] <Guus> Seve, at some point in the past, that page apparently existed, so external sources might still refer to it. That said, I analyzed our access logs a couple of months ago for 404's - this was not in the top (if it was in it at all)
[21:27:22] <Guus> so, yeah, we could add that redirect to fix an issue that's probably not occurring for anyone in the wild.
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