Tuesday, February 27, 2018
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Submissions for the newsletter: https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/News_and_Articles_for_the_next_XMPP_Newsletter

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[15:25:56] <jcbrand> Good news everyone!
[15:26:05] <jcbrand> You can now sign up for the newsletter: https://xmpp.org/newsletter.html
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[15:27:02] <Link Mauve> Who is this tinyletter.com that is requiring me to tell Google what is a shop and what isn’t?
[15:27:23] <jcbrand> Link Mauve: I look forward to you setting up a FOSS newsletter service for us
[15:28:30] <Link Mauve> Are there logs of the various alternatives you looked at and how you chose this one?
[15:29:11] <SamWhited> Please don't make this about open source ideology. Let's just actually get something done and have a decent newsletter.
[15:29:49] <SamWhited> This is the comm teams domain and their choice, if we nit pick and bikeshed every decision they make we won't have a comm team for long.
[15:30:31] <Link Mauve> I asked a simple question, it may be loaded but I’m not objecting to anything.
[15:30:53] <jcbrand> I mentioned here and in iteam that I'm going to use TinyLetter, which is what I use for one of my personal sites as well. Mostly because they allow unlimited subscribers at no cost
[15:31:01] <Link Mauve> Ok.
[15:31:08] <SaltyBones> Link Mauve, the good thing is, you don't have to sign up. You will be able to just look at the website...of course you can also just look at the wiki since you're in here already ;)
[15:32:03] <Link Mauve> SaltyBones, well, I’d rather subscribe than poll a shitty archive page, which gives the exact same amount of information to the mitm. :p
[15:32:54] <jcbrand> Link Mauve: FWIW, I originally thought about rolling my own when I needed a newsletter for my own site, but gave up when I realised how much time and effort it would take
[15:32:58] <jcbrand> Gotta pick your battles
[15:33:18] <Link Mauve> Sure. :)
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[15:47:24] <jcbrand> Guus just made me aware, the link to past newsletter entries returns a 404, that's because there aren't any
[15:47:29] <Seve> What? That was fast, jcbrand thanks
[15:47:35] <Seve> I was checking that too :D
[15:47:36] <jcbrand> I thought Pelican would show an empty page, but alas...
[15:47:57] <jcbrand> I'll hide it for now
[15:48:43] <jcbrand> Seve: I want to send out the newsletter on Friday or otherwise on Monday
[15:48:54] <jcbrand> So I pushed a bit to get this done
[15:49:03] <jcbrand> And then send it out once a month I think
[15:49:21] <jcbrand> if there's enough content to justify more frequent releases, then we could send out more frequently
[15:50:00] <Seve> I'm not sure if we will be able to get something once a month, but would be great
[15:50:28] <jcbrand> I think we will
[15:50:46] <jcbrand> All the stuff in the current newsletter is from February I believe
[15:51:31] <jcbrand> There's quite a bit (spoiler alert): https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/blob/master/content/posts/newsletter/2018-03.md
[15:51:51] <Link Mauve> Is there a plan to let random people (from here?) give links they think would be nice for the next newsletter?
[15:52:16] <jcbrand> Link Mauve: https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/News_and_Articles_for_the_next_XMPP_Newsletter
[15:52:45] <Link Mauve> Ok, so we need a wiki account, but that’s it.
[15:52:47] <Link Mauve> Thanks!
[15:53:12] <jcbrand> You could also paste here, but there's no 100% guarantee that it'll be noticed
[15:53:20] <Seve> You can paste it here
[15:53:22] <Seve> I will add them
[15:53:50] <jcbrand> Thanks Seve
[15:54:24] <SaltyBones> Link Mauve, from experience, just sending them to jc also works ;)
[15:54:39] <SaltyBones> ah, should have read the rest of the discussion m)
[15:54:50] <Seve> I was going to ask if it would be interesting if we translate the newsletter (It's not that important if we link to sites that are not translated)
But since it's a newsletter, we cannot do that, I guess.

[15:54:51] <jcbrand> That's a premium service, only for you SaltyBones
[15:55:00] <Seve> What a luxury, SaltyBones.
[15:56:05] <jcbrand> Concerning non-English content... I do want to include it. Currently there's one German article and it links to a Google Translate English version and the original German version
[15:56:18] <jcbrand> So that also applies to French Link Mauve
[15:57:14] <Link Mauve> Maybe we could partner with LinuxFR to provide a simultaneous translation in French.
[15:57:36] <jcbrand> But then we need to maintain two newsletters
[15:57:42] <Link Mauve> They have the tools and community to help with that, they’ve done it for the release of Prosody 0.10 for instance.
[15:57:44] <jcbrand> Where do people sign up for the french one?
[15:58:12] <jcbrand> We could link to the french one from the xmpp.org/newsletter.html
[15:58:57] <Seve> The thing is I can translate for spanish and catalan, but that's the problem, having newsletters for each of them. I'm not sure.
[16:01:17] <jcbrand> Concerning something else... analytics. I think other newsletters include a URL parameter in the links to indicate that themselves as the referrer, so that sites can see that traffic is driven to them from the newsletter
[16:01:26] <jcbrand> Does anyone know more about how best to do this?
[16:02:08] <SaltyBones> Doesn't tinyletter do that for you?
[16:02:23] <jcbrand> Perhaps, I actually don't know
[16:02:25] <SaltyBones> Or do you mean checking where other links come from?
[16:02:35] <SaltyBones> Oh..
[16:02:37] <SaltyBones> now I get it
[16:02:38] <jcbrand> No, I mean adding the referrer to the outgoing links
[16:02:40] <SaltyBones> nevermind ;)
[16:02:41] <jcbrand> Twitter also does it
[16:03:12] <mathieui> (and I hate it with the intensity of a thousand suns)
[16:03:31] <winfried> +1 ;-)
[16:03:40] <jcbrand> mathieui why?
[16:03:56] <jcbrand> It's a good advertisement for the newsletter IMO
[16:04:04] <mathieui> well, I don’t like being tracked :p, but I understand the rationale
[16:04:11] <mathieui> I think it’s utm_source or something
[16:04:22] <mathieui> probably website-specific though
[16:04:23] <SaltyBones> mathieui, so turn of referrer?
[16:04:29] <SaltyBones> mathieui, so turn off referrer?
[16:04:57] <jcbrand> Yes, utm_source... I've only noticed it in URLs, I don't really know how it works. Is it really tracking though?
[16:05:01] <SamWhited> You're not being tracked, no one knows who you are, just that 30 people showed up from Google and 10 from xmpp.org, or wherever
[16:05:08] <SaltyBones> I mean this no pixel or whatever tracking :)
[16:05:21] <Link Mauve> SaltyBones, it’s in the URL, so it gets copied even if you didn’t click on a link manually.
[16:05:26] <mathieui> jcbrand, https://support.google.com/analytics/answer/1033863
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[16:06:17] <SaltyBones> Link Mauve, what do you mean if you didn't click on it manually? How else would you click on it?
[16:06:29] <jcbrand> automatically ;)
[16:06:37] <winfried> BTW I got confirmation from the company who made it, that I can write a whitepaper and a blog about the use of XMPP at the Belgic emergency services
[16:06:47] <Link Mauve> SaltyBones, I mean, referrer is an HTTP header that is only present if you click on a link from your browser.
[16:06:48] <jcbrand> winfried: nice
[16:06:50] <Seve> winfried, that's super awesome!
[16:06:51] <mathieui> I’m not sure if adding the parameters manually to urls will work, though
[16:07:03] <mathieui> maybe ganalytics require the website to create campaigns for that
[16:07:13] <SaltyBones> winfried, awesome!
[16:08:43] <jcbrand> Piwik/Matomo also looks for utm_source https://matomo.org/faq/general/faq_119/
[16:08:48] <mathieui> ok, nice
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[16:12:09] <SaltyBones> interesting
[16:12:23] <SaltyBones> things I never knew existed ;)
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[18:12:35] <SaltyBones> https://twitter.com/ivucica/status/968538897604075521
[18:13:11] <jc> SaltyBones: already added 😎
[18:13:28] <jc> SaltyBones:you'll have to try harder
[18:14:43] <SaltyBones> hey, i'm a crossposting bot that pastes stuff in here
[18:14:54] <SaltyBones> you're a crossposting bot pasting stuff to the wiki from anywhere + here
[18:14:58] <SaltyBones> race conditions happen
[18:15:14] <SaltyBones> ...that should be a bumper sticker :p
[18:24:31] <jcbrand> "race conditions happen" would be an awesome bumper sticker
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