Friday, January 04, 2019
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Submissions for the newsletter: https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/News_and_Articles_for_the_next_XMPP_Newsletter

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[09:20:28] <pep.> jc: at CCC, the "assembly" was used to designate the tables and chairs where we were seated. We organized a meetup separately, (they call that self-organized sessions), which is what I talk about in my email
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[09:27:34] <Ge0rG> jc: you MUST mention that it's the 20 years of Jabber anniversary edition
[09:33:42] <pep.> True
[09:36:59] <Ge0rG> I wonder if jc will come back and see the backlog
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[10:53:18] <Ge0rG> debacle, jc: https://slashdot.org/story/99/01/04/1621211/open-real-time-messaging-system
[10:53:27] <debacle> Today's the day!
[10:53:30] <debacle> Happy Birthday, XMPP! 20th Anniversary of 1st Jabber Server https://fr.movim.eu/?blog/debacle%40movim.eu/happy-birthday-xmpp-20th-anniversary-of-1st-jabber-server-IBmtu8
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[10:55:36] <pep.> https://slashdot.org/story/99/01/04/1621211/open-real-time-messaging-system ^
[10:56:34] <Ge0rG> debacle: your post is also something for HN frontpage ;)
[10:57:09] <debacle> fortunately, it's edhelas server, not mine!
[10:57:18] <Ge0rG> he-he-he!
[10:57:33] <Ge0rG> debacle: can you add the original link?
[11:00:52] <debacle> I did now, Ge0rG (thanks for the link, and thanks to myself, that I used Movim for the post, not Diaspora - the latter does not support corrections)
[11:01:29] <pep.> (and it's not XMPP either, is it.)
[11:03:16] <Ge0rG> debacle: do you have a HN account you want to get karma on?
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[11:04:26] <pep.> You're also certainly going to see lots of naysayers
[11:05:40] <Ge0rG> pep.: I don't mind
[11:05:47] <Ge0rG> bad publicity is good publicity
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[11:13:23] <debacle> waiting for the "official XMPP obituary" from Signal, Matrix, etc. As Mark Twain said: "The rumours of my death have been greatly exaggerated"
[11:14:27] <jc> Hey, I'll update the newsletter but at least one person should proofread please
[11:15:06] <debacle> my English is too German for this task
[11:15:10] <jc> Oh, I guess pep. did already...
[11:15:12] <jc> pep. fixed thanks
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[11:16:14] <pep.> I tried yes, with the disclaimer that I'm no native speaker :-°
[11:16:29] <Ge0rG> jc: I'd suggest to merge the three Logitech paragraphs into one
[11:16:30] <jonas’> looking at it
[11:16:48] <Ge0rG> jc: and https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/lessons-vendor-lock-messaging should be moved into a prominent position in the context of the 20th birthday
[11:17:07] <Ge0rG> Because it's essentially what I would have written for the birthday blog if I had the time
[11:18:26] <jc> Proofreading is not only to fix English spelling and grammatical mistakes, but to find broken links or places where I wrote something wrong or stupid
[11:20:31] <jc> Ge0rG: ack
[11:21:11] <jc> Haha... from the Slashdot comments: "You can do the exact same thing with IRC. Just get on an IRC server and don't join any channels"
[11:23:35] <jonas’> jc, lgtm, am I stupid or didn’t you get around to add the anniversary yet?
[11:23:46] <jc> jonas’ doing that now
[11:23:52] <jc> jonas’ I'm doing that now
[11:23:54] <oli> yeah, but without a push server it won't work on iOS
[11:24:32] <Link Mauve> oli, I’m pretty sure iOS support wasn’t a thing back in 1999. :p
[11:25:16] <jc> The joke of the Slashdot comment is is that no-one's using XMPP...
[11:25:34] <oli> Link Mauve: but there were PDAs
[11:25:58] <oli> they had no imagination
[11:26:30] <Link Mauve> oli, PDAs didn’t actively prevent TCP connections from working, nor had a vendor priviledged TCP connection.
[11:26:32] *Ge0rG wrote a PDA IRC client back in 2001.
[11:26:50] <Link Mauve> iOS issues have been created by Apple, for Apple.
[11:26:59] <Ge0rG> Link Mauve: back in that time, there were no malicious app providers who would mine cryptocoins on your phone.
[11:27:29] <oli> i know i know, but wasn't it obvious that this has ti be the direction we were heading
[11:27:36] <Ge0rG> Link Mauve: sadly, Apple had good reasons to make those limitations
[11:32:39] <oli> i wonder if there are some posts for the 10th anniversary worth mentionning?
[11:33:02] <Ge0rG> jc: the links all look fine to me. Might add this to clients:
- Monal releases [3.3 on iOS and 2.3 on macOS](https://monal.im/blog/ios-release-and-mac-mute/)
[11:33:10] <jc> jonas’: I've pushed an update to the newsletter mentioning the anniversary if you're interested in checking
[11:33:12] <Ge0rG> oli: I don't think so
[11:33:19] <jc> Ge0rG ^^
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[11:33:40] <Ge0rG> direct link: https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/blob/newsletter/content/posts/newsletter/2019-01-04.md
[11:33:46] <jc> Oh... only now I see the PR comments
[11:34:37] <Ge0rG> jc: s/20th anniversary of the first Jabber server release./20th anniversary of Jabber./ please. I think it's more weightily and more approriate
[11:36:16] <jc> Ge0rG: I wrote it a bit different from that...
[11:36:57] <jc> Not sure if it's too short or dry now
[11:37:47] <Ge0rG> jc: it's perfect. I'm trying to think of a good bridge to the Linux Journal article
[11:38:44] <jonas’> "... fitting the spirit of the anniversary season, the linux journal has a reminder on why vendor lock-in in instant-messaging is a bad thing" ?
[11:39:13] <jc> To be completely honest, I wasn't that impressed with the Linux Journal article
[11:39:18] <jc> I think I could write something better
[11:39:19] <jonas’> I haven’t read it
[11:39:26] <jc> but don't have the time anymore
[11:39:45] <Ge0rG> > Linux Journal has published an article [Lessons in Vendor Lock-in: Messaging], reflecting over the last 20 years of instant messaging and lamenting the fact that open and standardized messaging hasn't taken off as expected.
[11:40:20] <Ge0rG> jc: you could, I could. But we didn't. That article is good enough and we are EBUSY
[11:40:40] <jc> Ge0rG: reflecting "on", not over
[11:40:52] <Ge0rG> 👍
[11:40:54] <oli> there is a linux mag interview with jeremie from 2001.
[11:41:05] <jc> oli: Link?
[11:41:25] <Ge0rG> http://www.linux-mag.com/id/902/
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[11:42:04] <oli> http://www.linux-mag.com/id/902/
[11:43:53] <jonas’> I find "lament" a bit whiney, but this might be my non-native tongue speaking
[11:44:16] <jc> The article is whiny
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[11:44:39] <jc> The German translations sound a bit worse to me TBH
[11:44:53] <jc> Than how I read "lament"... but we can change it
[11:45:04] <Ge0rG> I don't like the word "lament" either, but lack a proper alternative
[11:45:22] <jonas’> omit the entire half-sentence?
[11:45:37] <jc> We can just remove the word...
[11:46:33] <Ge0rG> > We can just remove the word...
👍
[11:47:05] <jc> I think it's much better now, pls have a look
[11:47:18] <jc> I also link to the Linux Mag article and /. announcement
[11:47:30] <jonas’> very good
[11:47:36] <oli> https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB1020882444493039840
[11:47:38] <jonas’> I like it
[11:47:56] <jc> oli: Paywalled
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[11:48:39] <oli> it opens in firefox android
[11:48:43] <jc> cool, thanks for all the suggestions and feedback
[11:49:04] <jc> It really improves the quality of the newsletter
[11:49:14] <Ge0rG> 👍
[11:50:01] <Ge0rG> jc: when will you bring it live? This is something that deserves some HN karma, and the valley nerds typically only wake up at noon ;)
[11:50:11] <jc> I just merged...
[11:50:31] <jc> We can link the original Slashdot link to HN or debacle's blog post
[11:50:37] <jc> I don't think we need to wait for the newsletter
[11:50:46] <jc> But in any case, i'll be up after the next automatic build
[11:51:48] <jc> BTW... we have now 182 subscribers
[11:51:51] <jc> Still growing every month
[11:51:58] <jc> Not a crap load, but something
[11:52:31] <Ge0rG> that's... rather tiny, I'd say
[11:52:45] <Ge0rG> jc: I'm just saying that the ideal time to submit to HN will be in ~4hr
[11:52:54] <jc> ok
[11:53:04] <jc> I never try to time it like that
[11:53:36] <Ge0rG> whenever you submit, you need something like 4-5 upvotes in the first minutes to get it onto the frontpage
[11:53:58] <jc> Yes, so we can coordinate here, but in 4-5 hours there's a good chance I'm in town
[11:54:12] <jc> But I have a mobile communications device
[11:55:27] <Ge0rG> Yeah, it's an unfortunate time for many.
[11:55:59] <jc> So let's do it a bit earlier... there are also europeans who can upvote
[11:56:10] <jc> And Africans 🙂
[11:57:52] <jc> I'm going to send out the newsletter now... last chance or forever hold your peace!
[11:59:19] <Link Mauve> jc, try to do it the closest to that time though.
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[12:02:44] <jc> heh, I see now for the first time that the newsletter emails come from the "XMPP Software Foundation"
[12:03:03] <Ge0rG> You can publish the newsletter now and hope nobody submits it to hn in the next 4h
[12:03:20] <jc> No-one's ever submitted it to HN I think
[12:03:37] <jc> I would not submit it, but rather debacle's blog post or the slashdot announcement
[12:04:07] <Ge0rG> I'd submit all three.
[12:06:18] <oli> the wsj article, unpaywalled: https://outline.com/Aac7fH
[12:20:38] <Ge0rG> So if we all meet here at 16:00 UTC to submit and upvote, we can make front-page
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[12:21:14] <jc> Ge0rG: OK
[12:21:15] <Ge0rG> (that's massive over engineering to get the attention of some valley bros)
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[12:22:32] <pep.> Indeed
[12:22:39] <pep.> Things you have to do today to get some attention..
[12:22:59] <oli> do i need a user account?
[12:23:11] <pep.> And they will certainly be the firsts to whine about it, "isn't XMPP dead already?"
[12:23:19] <pep.> "What you don't use Slack?"
[12:23:48] <jc> oli: if you want to be able to comment and vote, yes
[12:25:44] <jc> pep.: The main arguments usually are

1. XML, yuck!
2. Clients all suck and look old

[12:25:56] <oli> pep., fun part: jeremie worked on telehash and community support is on slack
[12:26:09] <pep.> jc, yeah I know these arguments
[12:30:21] <oli> my main "argument" would be: matrix is the new jabber
[12:36:19] <pep.> You mean matrix is redoing jabber? :)
[12:36:44] <Ge0rG> there is no link to the newsletter at https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/News_and_Articles_for_the_next_XMPP_Newsletter
[12:39:58] <Ge0rG> fixed.
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[14:08:22] <pep.> That Linux Journal article uses "Jabber" and "XMPP" weirdly. I know it's never really clear, but I don't think "XMPP plugins" are a thing at all (nor is a "Jabber plugin", or maybe it was at the time?)
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[14:36:10] <oli> btw, is the jabber server software from 1999 still available? was it ever released as open source?
[14:36:43] <Ge0rG> oli: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabberd14
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[15:01:57] <oli> I don't find any jabber server in 1999
[15:02:02] <oli> from 1999
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[15:14:09] <oli> In the jabberd14 repository the first commit was in June 2000.
https://github.com/mawis/jabberd/tree/jer/jabberd14/jabberd
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[15:31:38] <Neustradamus> There is a jabberd2 too if you want
[15:32:21] <Ge0rG> oli: that looks like an import from whatever (svn) into git, without keeping the history
[15:32:52] <Ge0rG> can somebody parse out of https://web.archive.org/web/20060615062408/http://svn.jabberd.org:80/
[15:40:34] <oli> I'm asking, because that code is also part of the jabber history. Some guy ported KDE 1 and KDE 2 to compile on recent Linux.
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[15:51:26] <Ge0rG> https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://svn.jabberd.org:80/tags/pre-1_1_3/jabberd14/ is empty :(
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[15:55:47] <jc> Hey folks, ready for submission?
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[15:56:29] *Ge0rG .o/
[15:56:31] <jc> Who's going to submit what? debacle, do you want to submit your blog post?
[15:56:51] <Ge0rG> I can submit anything/everything
[15:57:11] <jc> IMO it would be better if each article is submitted by someone else
[15:57:21] <jc> Would look a bit less like spamming
[15:57:29] <Ge0rG> right
[15:57:47] <jc> Ge0rG: you could submit the Slashdot article, and I'll submit the newsletter (or vice versa)
[15:57:56] <jc> And debacle the blog post
[15:57:59] <jc> or someone else
[15:59:28] <Ge0rG> the Slashdot article has a sub-optimal title for HN, but we can try
[15:59:42] <jc> You can choose your own title though
[15:59:50] <Ge0rG> jc: but it's frowned upon
[15:59:59] <jc> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18824911
[16:00:02] <Ge0rG> jc: you submit the newsletter and I can do either debacle's post or the Slashdot
[16:00:04] <jc> Let's see...
[16:00:10] <jc> See above...
[16:00:31] <jc> Link Mauve, Neustradamus, debacle, nyco, SouL, pep.: please upvote https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18824911
[16:00:48] <Link Mauve> I still don’t have an account there.
[16:00:55] <pep.> done
[16:00:58] <jc> tx
[16:01:00] <Link Mauve> Also, you should instead recommend to go to the front page, then click on it, then upvote.
[16:01:13] <Link Mauve> I remember people saying otherwise it doesn’t count, or even counts as spam.
[16:01:18] <jc> ah ok
[16:01:28] <pep.> hmm, I can't un-upvote it..
[16:01:35] <Link Mauve> pep., don’t, you’ve done it already.
[16:01:49] <jc> Not the front-page, because it isn't there
[16:01:53] <jc> But it's here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newest
[16:02:40] <Ge0rG> jc: submission guidelines say that the HN title must match the article title, so now you need to go and change the newsletter title on xmpp.org!
[16:03:11] <pep.> so complicated..
[16:03:15] <jc> Ge0rG: meh
[16:03:30] <jc> vast majority of article titles and submissions don't match
[16:03:31] <pep.> All that for a bunch of SF geeks
[16:04:01] <Ge0rG> Here's another one: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18824957
[16:04:56] <pep.> post that on xsf@ ?
[16:05:36] <pep.> oh you did
[16:07:44] <pep.> I wonder how often they update the frontpage
[16:08:36] <Ge0rG> Maybe we have been detected to be a bot network
[16:09:10] <Ge0rG> I can't see anything in top150
[16:09:23] <pep.> Well, upvotes within seconds of being submitted are probably suspicious
[16:10:15] <jc> Let's not get paranoid people 🙂
[16:10:25] <pep.> :P
[16:10:31] <Ge0rG> jc: too late
[16:10:39] <jc> The problem with posting at the most "optimised" time is that everybody else also does it
[16:10:44] <pep.> We're not paranoid, there are conspiracies everywhere!!
[16:11:04] <jc> The Slack article that I posted that was front-page for many hours was around 12:00 EST
[16:12:36] <pep.> Getting up to 15-20 points would be good :x
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[16:13:36] <Ge0rG> the Slashdot article is #26! \o/
[16:13:48] <jc> Congrats 🙂
[16:14:11] <jc> Newsletter is nowhere to be found... must be the dang title!
[16:14:27] <Ge0rG> jc: nah, title complaints come later when mods have had a look
[16:14:48] <pep.> Is HN free software?
[16:14:58] <pep.> Doesn't look like it
[16:15:01] <jc> Not sure, but there are many free clones
[16:15:05] <pep.> I'd be curious to know how they do this
[16:15:07] <Ge0rG> pep.: no, it's Cloud SaaS
[16:15:19] <Ge0rG> using some lisp magic IIRC
[16:15:28] <jc> It's funny the newsletter has a few more votes, but the slashdot article has a comment by yours truly
[16:15:52] <Link Mauve> Maybe because it still doesn’t have any comment?
[16:16:26] <jc> Maybe, but I don't think it'll help if I comment since I submitted it
[16:16:38] <Link Mauve> No, but someone else could.
[16:16:48] <jc> Yes, someone with an acount... ahem
[16:17:10] <pep.> Not exactly sure what to comment about
[16:18:01] <Link Mauve> pep., how exciting this is!
[16:18:08] <Link Mauve> How you’re gonna bake a cake.
[16:18:18] <Link Mauve> Stuff like that.
[16:18:36] <Link Mauve> Do sockpuppets need people to pull strings nowadays? /o\
[16:18:56] <pep.> Talking in public is not exactly my thing you know :P
[16:19:37] <pep.> Here, commented.
[16:20:03] <pep.> Ge0rG, the slashdot article is going down!!
[16:20:11] <jc> lol
[16:20:54] <jc> Looks like we need reinforcements
[16:21:30] <pep.> They're trying to put Jabber down! 陰謀だ!
[16:21:49] <Link Mauve> Damn, now I have the song in my head.
[16:21:55] <pep.> :DD
[16:25:40] <jc> Link?
[16:26:07] <jc> Still hanging in there by a thread
[16:26:11] <pep.> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZlqGD2FIs8, or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOlXkj-RO-M
[16:26:22] <Ge0rG> jc: https://fr.movim.eu/?blog/debacle%40movim.eu/happy-birthday-xmpp-20th-anniversary-of-1st-jabber-server-IBmtu8
[16:27:34] <pep.> jc, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65dYsNJ3548 a scene from the anime with subtitles :p
[16:28:29] <jc> ....aaaaaand it's gone
[16:28:46] <pep.> noooo
[16:28:51] <pep.> 陰謀だ!!
[16:29:23] <jc> well... looks like the newsletter one was shadowbanned...
[16:29:27] <jc> it's nowhere to be found
[16:29:57] <Ge0rG> jc: at least you are not shadowbanned.
[16:30:16] <jc> I wouldn't know, would I? I guess I"m not since you see my comments
[16:30:34] <Ge0rG> jc: exactly. Also you can open a private tab and point it to HN
[16:30:48] <Ge0rG> jc: want to make another approach?
[16:32:23] <oli> you can try on facebook 💩
[16:32:47] <jc> I'll pass
[16:33:08] <jc> Ge0rG: what do you have in mind?
[16:33:38] <jc> I'm ok with calling it a day and moving on, but someone else can still submit debacle's article
[16:33:40] <Ge0rG> jc: submit debacle's post
[16:33:42] <jc> There is also still reddit and other places
[16:34:07] <Ge0rG> jc: so either you submit it now, or I submit it and you upvote and then you can call it a day :D
[16:34:25] <jc> Ge0rG: what's funny is that I see my karma only going up by 2, but the newsletter post had 9 points, so that sounds almost like 7 points aren't counted (like you suggested)
[16:34:28] <jc> Ge0rG go for it
[16:35:21] <Ge0rG> jc: "Happy Birthday, XMPP 20th Anniversary of Jabber" on https://news.ycombinator.com/newest
[16:40:12] <pep.> The slshdot article is back as #30 !!
[16:40:24] <pep.> And the happy birthday thing is #6
[16:40:26] <pep.> wth
[16:40:32] <pep.> #3!
[16:40:48] <pep.> jc, smart comment
[16:40:54] <jc> Back from the dead
[16:41:23] <pep.> #2!
[16:49:09] <jc> Ge0rG: good of you to suggest we try one more time. 3rd time lucky
[16:51:19] <Ge0rG> down to #6 now
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[17:15:29] <pep.> yeah and it's not going up
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[17:32:16] <jc> I'm debugging something, so might leave/join the room constantly, please bear with me
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[17:46:04] <pep.> Ge0rG, you're stilling all debacle's karma :P
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[17:56:57] <jc> You snooze you lose
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[18:22:07] <Link Mauve> arnaudj, do you plan on translating this month’s newsletter? If not soon, I’ll start something.
[18:28:24] <erkanfiles> I could help translating to german... Link Mauve
[18:29:08] <Link Mauve> That’d be very welcome!
[18:30:03] <erkanfiles> > That’d be very welcome!
How to, where to and till when?
[18:30:58] <Link Mauve> erkanfiles, hmm, the easiest way is to copy the English version into an Etherpad if you are working on it with other people (even if just for proof-reading), and then start translating. :)
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[18:31:40] <Link Mauve> It can be quite frustrating if this is your first time, don’t hesitate to ask us for explanations for what something means.
[18:32:00] <Link Mauve> There is no deadline, you can do it pretty much whenever you want.
[18:32:17] <erkanfiles> Where may I find the current version? Are there existing etherpads or shall I create one?
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[18:33:09] <erkanfiles> > It can be quite frustrating if this is your first time, don’t hesitate to ask us for explanations for what something means.
Thx, Ge0rG helped me out with the minutes from dec 20th, there were some points I didnt get ;-)
[18:34:50] <Link Mauve> https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/blob/master/content/posts/newsletter/2019-01-04.md would be the current version.
[18:34:55] <Link Mauve> Most likely the final one.
[18:35:14] <jc> I think we should update the xmpp.org website to host the translations
[18:35:38] <jc> Then translators can simply work there and there's one standardized way of doing things
[18:36:04] <jc> Can Pelican handle i18n?
[18:36:31] <jc> Would actually be good to have FR and DE (and ES etc.) versions of the site
[18:37:39] <Ge0rG> erkanfiles: sorry, I didn't manage to forward the minutes yet. 😥
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[18:51:19] <pep.> Link Mauve, if you have that etherpad up I can help
[18:52:35] <Link Mauve> pep., haven’t started yet.
[18:53:23] <pep.> https://mensuel.framapad.org/p/Kk5I02DivH
[18:53:28] <pep.> For french
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[19:22:06] <Ge0rG> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18826383
[19:22:13] <Ge0rG> Just wow!
[19:50:46] <arnaudj> Link Mauve: I can join the translation effort tomorrow
[19:51:08] <Link Mauve> I didn’t start yet, but pep. did.
[19:52:17] <erkanfiles> Think, liberloebi will help me with translation to german
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[21:41:11] <Ge0rG> Still #11 on HN!
[21:42:50] <erkanfiles> Ge0rG: ?
[21:43:26] <Ge0rG> erkanfiles: https://news.ycombinator.com/
[21:46:32] <Ge0rG> Oh sorry, I haven't reloaded. It's down to #34
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