XSF logo XSF Communications Team - 2019-10-17


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  22. emus > https://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/EU-Parlament-empfiehlt-Jabber-statt-WhatsApp-und-prueft-Signal-4557826.html > what? > vielen Dank für Ihre Mail. Die Information stammt aus dem Büro von Herrn > Schirdewan, der die Anfrage mit gestellt hatte. Meaning, they requested theirselfs. so it can be seen as a primary source, or?
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  28. vanitasvitae Also the author expects that Jabber as in XMPP is meant, not explicitly Cisco Jabber.
  29. SouL Then why was not XMPP used there?
  30. emus > Then why was not XMPP used there? Not everyone is so precise with those terms. and to be honest is saying Jabber wrong?
  31. SouL Yes it is
  32. SouL The protocol is called XMPP
  33. vanitasvitae I still dont think Jabber is inheritly wrong.
  34. vanitasvitae They could as well recommend "eMail" instead of saying "SMTP"
  35. SouL email is not SMTP and anyway I'm not going to let you go that way :D
  36. SouL I'm veeeery flexible usually while discussing all sorts of things, but in this topic, saying Jabber is just wrong
  37. SouL Let's use the most popular search engine, as a regular person would do after reading "jabber"
  38. SouL https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=PiaoXeaiMInGwAL4q6-4Bw&q=jabber&oq=jabber&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0l10.2142.2714..2751...0.0..0.103.324.4j1......0....1..gws-wiz.....0..0i131.CHqD_88o4uc&ved=0ahUKEwjmuc6M8KLlAhUJI1AKHfjVC3cQ4dUDCAY&uact=5
  39. SouL Let's search for XMPP https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=RiaoXcOEM5LcwQLbnoOwBg&q=xmpp&oq=xmpp&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0l10.944.1485..1639...0.0..0.62.204.4......0....1..gws-wiz.....0..0i131.IwuJadkmosc&ved=0ahUKEwjDv7mQ8KLlAhUSblAKHVvPAGYQ4dUDCAY&uact=5
  40. SouL People should stop being "nostalgic" about it, it is been long enough to stop calling it Jabber
  41. pep. I guess Jabber was just the first company that was created for that, they had a jabber product and that's how it started, the confusion was beneficial to them
  42. pep. Then it got bought by Cisco, end of story :x
  43. pep. Now the confusion is beneficial to Cisco
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  46. emus My question would be: is it a serious problem when people talk about jabber and most likely mean the right thing? Is it an adavantage to start over this disucssing at the point we get into media? or being stubburn people shall say xmpp only? I dont think so. I only would be clear if there is a hardcore tech discussion or someone talk stupid stuff
  47. SouL Yes it is a serious problem, why would you refer to Jabber instead of XMPP to people that do not know neither of them?
  48. SouL And the discussion is started by those who want to call it Jabber
  49. SouL There's no discussion to be started otherwise
  50. emus > And the discussion is started by those who want to call it Jabber > There's no discussion to be started otherwise but people who have no clue mostly use jabber. I think its fine. it`s also a problem if people look at it the first time and wonder why they directly gets critized because they use "the wrong name"
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  58. Wojtek @SouL one thing would be ‘lazyness’ - Jabber is easier to pronounce… even “e-mail” is quite often shorted to just “mail” (not saying it’s right or wrong, just motivation to use one over another)
  59. emus > @SouL one thing would be ‘lazyness’ - Jabber is easier to pronounce… even “e-mail” is quite often shorted to just “mail” (not saying it’s right or wrong, just motivation to use one over another) yes, I would only in tech talks and offical documents remind authors. but not on twitter or press stuff for example (as long as it really really is a worse mistake)
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