Nÿcoshould I include https://news.jabberfr.org/2019/10/compte-rendu-de-lag-de-jabberfr-du-2019-10-09/ in next newsletter? I'd say no
Link MauveHi CommTeam, do you have some material targetting users, mostly technical ones who have already heard of Jabber ten years ago?
Link MauveThis would be to hand out as flyers at the next SCAM event.
Link MauveThere is already Arc’s server guide 2017, but I was thinking about something more for users.
pep.Link Mauve, maybe bring this up during today's SCAM meeting. Tbh I'm not sure where this falls
Link MauveIt falls in ten days.
pep.I mean I'm not sure this is comm or scam tbh :/
pep.(also why I'd prefer both together)
Link Mauvepep., it’s definitely communication.
Link MauveWhether it’s for events or not is irrelevant.
pep.So SCAM shouldn't worry about that at all?
pep.What do we even go to conferences for
Link MauveOr maybe it is, dunno, that’s how I understood CommTeam until now.
emus> Hi CommTeam, do you have some material targetting users, mostly technical ones who have already heard of Jabber ten years ago?
> This would be to hand out as flyers at the next SCAM event.
This must go through jabber.ccc.de 😁
Link Mauveemus, what do you mean?
emusLink Mauve: I think there are many "old" jabber people pep intends to adress.
and also someone must push that to the Pidgins main page :D
Link MauveNote that they might not all be in that case, but that’s for a technical conference.
emusI just make fun
emusStill, actively looking for "old" potts might be valuable
NÿcoLink Mauve : what do you need?
Nÿco1. what target(s)?
2. what is (are) the problem(s)?
3. what form/shape?
Link MauveNÿco, see email@example.com at 16:24:02.
Link MauveI’m not totally sure tbh.
Link MauveI think the target is technical people, free software people, mostly users?
Nÿcothat's for 1.
Link MauveThe problem, to get them to use XMPP I guess!
Link MauveAnd the form, I was thinking about a flyer but it could take other forms, I was planning on also doing demos of various clients and depending on how the people interact with me to show them other ones too.
NÿcoI personally wish to support more the SCAM team than I did in the past
I think the effort is awesome and the outcome is actually excellent
Nÿco3. flyers or demos, good
Link MauveI’d prefer s/or/and/ :)
Nÿcothat's definitely an effort to be led by the commTeam imho, in support of SCAM
Nÿcook for the s :)
Link MauveThat’s also how I understood it until now.
pep.Nÿco, should I redirect the "We need to find a design/markety person" to commteam then?
pep.Do you also have a budget?
Nÿcoso the server triptic by Arc is a good base, may be it needs a little update: some info, but mostly a better visual
Link MauveNote that ideally we’d have something printed in ten days.
emuspep., Link Mauve: Where else to you have contact with people which have aciebt ideas about xmpp?
Nÿcopep. I don't understand "Nÿco, should I redirect the "We need to find a design/markety person" to commteam then?"
pep.Nÿco, see scam@
Nÿco> Do you also have a budget?
and 10 days is too short
Link MauveI agree.
pep.pep.> Action for SCAM before closing, I guess, find somebody that can do design/markety stuff
Nÿcono time to check scam
emusLink Mauve: You target people who have old-fashioned ideas about xmpp or?
pep.Nÿco, sure, 10 days is too short, but we would use these for any other conference afterwards
Link MauveSo I was planning on doing something less good than what could be possible, in order to have something at least.
Link Mauveemus, not only obviously, but many people do remember their Jabber days, using Pidgin some ten years ago and stopping because their contacts also stopped.
Nÿcofor 10-years-fashioned users, I always recommend:
Link MauveXMPP was quite popular amongst free software people in France back then.
Link MauveNÿco, my goal is to make them use it again, using better clients and maintained servers. :)
Link MauveExplaining I can do when I see them.
NÿcoI think it is a wrong target, let them be disappointed
Link MauveAt least two years ago, there were a lot of them at this conference in Toulouse.
Nÿcogenerally, in business/marketing, if the cost of acquisition is 1, then the cost of retention is 10, and the cost to regain lost users is 100
numbers are only orders of magnitude
Nÿcoso, try, you'll get golden feedback, I think that's worth
Link MauveHeh. ^^
Link MauveDo you think we should skip free software events and instead go to other conferences?
NÿcoArc's server guide would benefit from "data", "GDPR", "self-hosting/on-premise", "sovereignty" and such
Nÿcobut Arc's guide in only for the server, meaning it targets admins
Nÿcofor users, I'd rather have a list of maintained, modern, and feature-complete apps
Nÿcofor the "10-years-ago" XMPP/Jabber users, I'd rather present an offer that's better than what they have switched to...
Nÿco"better" in their system of thinking
emus> I think it is a wrong target, let them be disappointed
Still, if they see that there is something new it might bring back expertise which is very important. I wouldnt loose that chance. If they were convince of the idea 10 years back they might still are
Nÿcoand what's new, precisely?
Nÿco(asking your opinion)
Nÿco(imho, archiving has changed a lot, as well as UX, that is team chat, but we don't have any modern and feature-complete team chat app in XMPP)
emusHard to say from my knowledge.
emusIt`s true. still you can say that XMPP is still there
Nÿcothat's the problem: XMPP is still _there_ :)
with Pidgin, Psi and Gajim
emus> for 10-years-fashioned users, I always recommend:
The links doesnt work anymore
Nÿcolinks work for me, I copied-pasted them
emuswill check another browser
Nÿcomaybe too many trackers?
emus> that's the problem: XMPP is still _there_ :)
> with Pidgin, Psi and Gajim
Don`t be so negative 😀 There is many more: www.omemo.top
I would still give it a try. At least people see see there is something different from Pidgin
Nÿcoyeah, I thought :/
Nÿcooh yeah, forgot the obvious e2e, sorry
emus> oh yeah, forgot the obvious e2e, sorry
You can make it a state of the art information. people can decide on their own
Nÿcogood, good, so indeed, we have some material to wake them up?
emusI think haveing a chat with georg an Holger will give you more material