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  24. Nÿco should I include https://news.jabberfr.org/2019/10/compte-rendu-de-lag-de-jabberfr-du-2019-10-09/ in next newsletter? I'd say no
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  28. Link Mauve Hi CommTeam, do you have some material targetting users, mostly technical ones who have already heard of Jabber ten years ago?
  29. Link Mauve This would be to hand out as flyers at the next SCAM event.
  30. Link Mauve There is already Arc’s server guide 2017, but I was thinking about something more for users.
  31. pep. Link Mauve, maybe bring this up during today's SCAM meeting. Tbh I'm not sure where this falls
  32. Link Mauve It falls in ten days.
  33. pep. I mean I'm not sure this is comm or scam tbh :/
  34. pep. (also why I'd prefer both together)
  35. Link Mauve pep., it’s definitely communication.
  36. Link Mauve Whether it’s for events or not is irrelevant.
  37. pep. Is it
  38. pep. So SCAM shouldn't worry about that at all?
  39. pep. What do we even go to conferences for
  40. Link Mauve Or maybe it is, dunno, that’s how I understood CommTeam until now.
  41. emus > Hi CommTeam, do you have some material targetting users, mostly technical ones who have already heard of Jabber ten years ago? > This would be to hand out as flyers at the next SCAM event. Awesone idea! This must go through jabber.ccc.de 😁
  42. Link Mauve emus, what do you mean?
  43. emus Link Mauve: I think there are many "old" jabber people pep intends to adress. and also someone must push that to the Pidgins main page :D
  44. Link Mauve Note that they might not all be in that case, but that’s for a technical conference.
  45. emus I just make fun
  46. emus Still, actively looking for "old" potts might be valuable
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  71. Nÿco Link Mauve : what do you need?
  72. Nÿco 1. what target(s)? 2. what is (are) the problem(s)? 3. what form/shape?
  73. Link Mauve Nÿco, see scam@muc.xmpp.org at 16:24:02.
  74. Link Mauve I’m not totally sure tbh.
  75. Link Mauve I think the target is technical people, free software people, mostly users?
  76. Nÿco that's for 1.
  77. Link Mauve The problem, to get them to use XMPP I guess!
  78. Nÿco that's 2.
  79. Link Mauve And the form, I was thinking about a flyer but it could take other forms, I was planning on also doing demos of various clients and depending on how the people interact with me to show them other ones too.
  80. Nÿco I personally wish to support more the SCAM team than I did in the past I think the effort is awesome and the outcome is actually excellent
  81. Nÿco 3. flyers or demos, good
  82. Link Mauve I’d prefer s/or/and/ :)
  83. Nÿco that's definitely an effort to be led by the commTeam imho, in support of SCAM
  84. Nÿco ok for the s :)
  85. Link Mauve That’s also how I understood it until now.
  86. pep. Nÿco, should I redirect the "We need to find a design/markety person" to commteam then?
  87. pep. Do you also have a budget?
  88. Nÿco so the server triptic by Arc is a good base, may be it needs a little update: some info, but mostly a better visual
  89. Link Mauve Note that ideally we’d have something printed in ten days.
  90. emus pep., Link Mauve: Where else to you have contact with people which have aciebt ideas about xmpp?
  91. pep. emus, ?
  92. Nÿco pep. I don't understand "Nÿco, should I redirect the "We need to find a design/markety person" to commteam then?"
  93. Link Mauve ancient?
  94. pep. Nÿco, see scam@
  95. Nÿco > Do you also have a budget? nope and 10 days is too short
  96. Link Mauve I agree.
  97. pep. pep.> Action for SCAM before closing, I guess, find somebody that can do design/markety stuff
  98. Nÿco no time to check scam
  99. emus Link Mauve: You target people who have old-fashioned ideas about xmpp or?
  100. pep. Nÿco, sure, 10 days is too short, but we would use these for any other conference afterwards
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  102. Link Mauve So I was planning on doing something less good than what could be possible, in order to have something at least.
  103. Link Mauve emus, not only obviously, but many people do remember their Jabber days, using Pidgin some ten years ago and stopping because their contacts also stopped.
  104. Nÿco for 10-years-fashioned users, I always recommend: https://www.erlang-solutions.com/blog/welcome-to-the-third-generation-of-instant-messaging-part-1-2.html https://www.erlang-solutions.com/blog/welcome-to-the-third-generation-of-instant-messaging-part-2-2.html
  105. Link Mauve XMPP was quite popular amongst free software people in France back then.
  106. Link Mauve Nÿco, my goal is to make them use it again, using better clients and maintained servers. :)
  107. Link Mauve Explaining I can do when I see them.
  108. Nÿco I think it is a wrong target, let them be disappointed
  109. Link Mauve At least two years ago, there were a lot of them at this conference in Toulouse.
  110. Nÿco generally, in business/marketing, if the cost of acquisition is 1, then the cost of retention is 10, and the cost to regain lost users is 100 numbers are only orders of magnitude
  111. Nÿco so, try, you'll get golden feedback, I think that's worth
  112. Link Mauve Heh. ^^
  113. Link Mauve Do you think we should skip free software events and instead go to other conferences?
  114. Nÿco Arc's server guide would benefit from "data", "GDPR", "self-hosting/on-premise", "sovereignty" and such
  115. Nÿco wat
  116. Nÿco but Arc's guide in only for the server, meaning it targets admins
  117. Nÿco for users, I'd rather have a list of maintained, modern, and feature-complete apps
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  119. Nÿco for the "10-years-ago" XMPP/Jabber users, I'd rather present an offer that's better than what they have switched to...
  120. Nÿco "better" in their system of thinking
  121. emus > I think it is a wrong target, let them be disappointed Still, if they see that there is something new it might bring back expertise which is very important. I wouldnt loose that chance. If they were convince of the idea 10 years back they might still are
  122. Nÿco and what's new, precisely?
  123. Nÿco (asking your opinion)
  124. Nÿco (imho, archiving has changed a lot, as well as UX, that is team chat, but we don't have any modern and feature-complete team chat app in XMPP)
  125. emus Hard to say from my knowledge.
  126. emus It`s true. still you can say that XMPP is still there
  127. Nÿco that's the problem: XMPP is still _there_ :) with Pidgin, Psi and Gajim
  128. emus > for 10-years-fashioned users, I always recommend: > https://www.erlang-solutions.com/blog/welcome-to-the-third-generation-of-instant-messaging-part-1-2.html > https://www.erlang-solutions.com/blog/welcome-to-the-third-generation-of-instant-messaging-part-2-2.html The links doesnt work anymore
  129. pep. they do
  130. emus 🤔
  131. Nÿco links work for me, I copied-pasted them
  132. emus will check another browser
  133. Nÿco maybe too many trackers?
  134. emus > that's the problem: XMPP is still _there_ :) > with Pidgin, Psi and Gajim Don`t be so negative 😀 There is many more: www.omemo.top I would still give it a try. At least people see see there is something different from Pidgin
  135. emus Nÿco: adblock
  136. Nÿco yeah, I thought :/
  137. Nÿco oh yeah, forgot the obvious e2e, sorry
  138. emus > oh yeah, forgot the obvious e2e, sorry You can make it a state of the art information. people can decide on their own
  139. Nÿco good, good, so indeed, we have some material to wake them up?
  140. emus I think haveing a chat with georg an Holger will give you more material
  141. emus (excl. the sarkasm 😃)
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