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<Kev> Evening.
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<Kev> Two people here on time today.
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<Kev> Pretty impressive.
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<MattJ> :)
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<Kev> What's MM's JID?
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<MattJ> linuxwolf on outer-planes.net
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<Kev> Ta
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<MattJ> "Away since 15:59:06" :)
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<Kev> Fritzy did mention trouble with the house a day or two ago, although I didn't think that was intended to be apologies for Council. Maybe it was.
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<linuxwolf> HERE!
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<MattJ> Yay!
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<linuxwolf> /whew
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<Kev> Well, no sign of Fritzy or Ralph.
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<Kev> Oh, this does make me wonder about something, I'll AOB it.
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<Kev> 1) Roll call
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*dwd rolls.
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<Kev> Matt & Matt & Kev. I'm not sure if Fritzy intended to apologise or not. Ralph hasn't.
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<Kev> 2) Agenda bashing.
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<Kev> I'll add something about minutes to the end.
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*linuxwolf thinks of Newhart
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<MattJ> No bashing
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<linuxwolf> I've got nothing to add or object to this week
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<Kev> 3) http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/remote-auth.html
Accept as XEP?
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<MattJ> +1
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<linuxwolf> I guess
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<Kev> Despite some quite active discussion on the list, I don't see a reason to block this for the moment.
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<linuxwolf> agreed
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<linuxwolf> +1 on accepting, but I doubt it actually solving a problem
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<linuxwolf> IMO
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<Kev> Right.
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<Kev> 4) Interop report (Kev)
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<Kev> So, we've got the server interop event this week.
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<Kev> M-Link, Ejabberd, Prosody, Tigase and Psyched are participating on the server side, things are underway, we're doing basic today, TLS tomorrow, and TLS with cert checking Friday.
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<Kev> I've put up some basic test plan, am vaguely overseeing (I'm avoiding being the Isode contact so I can keep my XSF hat on), and I'll write up an informal report at the end of the week.
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<Kev> Not much to say other than that.
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<Kev> 5) bis report (Peter)
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<Kev> Except stpeter seems to be DND.
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<dwd> My amazing psychic powers tell me he's on the phone.
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*linuxwolf goes around corner to see if he's in office
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<Kev> Quite.
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<Kev> 6) e2e report (Peter)
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<Kev> Also problematic without Peter.
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<Kev> So let's jump to my extra point
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<mlundblad> dwd: my amazing contact list tells me he's "on the phone"
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<mlundblad> :)
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<linuxwolf> stpeter must be working form home…so no way to ping him
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<Kev> 7) Minutes of Council attendance.
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<linuxwolf> s/ping/poke
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<stpeter> hmm
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<MattJ> linuxwolf, could give him a call... oh
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<dwd> linuxwolf, Yeah, working from home, we all know what that means.
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<linuxwolf> "A wild stpeter appears!"
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<stpeter> stupid calendar didn't pop up a reminder
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<Kev> I don't intend to be a bastard about it, but I keep writing minutes saying "X wuz ere" in the Roll call, when X didn't turn up until Council was about to end.
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<Kev> As these are supposed to be a record of what actually happens, I think they should probably indicate this.
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<linuxwolf> Kev: 10 minute rule
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<Kev> So I'm inclined to start saying "Here, not here, late"
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<MattJ> Fine by me, that also occurred in my mind when reading the last minutes
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<Kev> linuxwolf: Is that as an alternative to what I propose?
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<Kev> It wasn't that I want to start being a bastard about anyone 30 seconds late.
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<linuxwolf> Kev: yes…from my college days…if you're more than 10 minutes late, you're "not here"
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<dwd> I would also note that for members who actually care about who they vote for, having an accurate account of who turns up to meetings, and who votes (and when!) is a useful metric.
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<Kev> dwd: I'm not convinced by 'and when', any more.
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<linuxwolf> which impacted your ability to access the lab compueters
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<Kev> Given that we now have a standard voting period, and we stick to it.
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<stpeter> anyway, about e2e I've talked with the OTR guys about potentially documenting their stuff in an RFC (probably informational), we'll see where that leads
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<Kev> linuxwolf: Which is ok, except that 10 minutes late is 33% of the longest Council meeting :)
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<MattJ> +1 - I might vote late because I want to give the specs more careful review, etc.
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*stpeter scrolls up
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<linuxwolf> Kev: 5 minutes late?
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<linuxwolf> (-:
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<dwd> MattJ, Yes, that seems reasonable. Not voting at all is less than helpful, though, speaking as a spec author (on occasion).
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<MattJ> Agreed
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<linuxwolf> /nod
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<Kev> linuxwolf: I was going to go by the "If someone's late, they're marked late", and "If someone's not here by the time I gavel-bang, they're Not Here"
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<Kev> So I'll go with this method in future minutes unless someone fiercely objects.
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<linuxwolf> Kev: either works for me…depends on how heavy-handed we want to be
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<Kev> I don't overly intend to be heavy-handed, and needing to poke someone because they forgot, and turn up 30seconds later isn't the point.
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<linuxwolf> Kev: you're the Chair, afterall (-:
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*Kev goes to read up for stpeter's comment.
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<Kev> Ok, so that was the e2e report - bis, stpeter?
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<stpeter> the bis docs are getting closer every day, damn IESG members :)
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<stpeter> still waiting for further feedback from the general area review team reviewer
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<dwd> I admit I'm probably not exactly helping by nitpicking on bits I re-review. :-/
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<Kev> Enough of a report for me :)
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<Kev> Date of next meeting?
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<linuxwolf> dwd: are you admitting to being a troll? (-:
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<stpeter> it's on the agenda for next Thursday again (IESG telechat)
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<Kev> I'm inclined at this point to suggest 'first Wed in Jan', and skip the holiday season, but could be talked into other things.
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<dwd> linuxwolf, No, I just happen to *like* living under this bridge.
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<dwd> Kev, Might be useful to have one next week to review this week's interop.
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<linuxwolf> agreed
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<stpeter> yeah, interop review would be good
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<Kev> I can do next week, as long as my Isode overlords keep me out of meetings despite being in the office.
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<linuxwolf> (with dwd, oddly enough)
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<stpeter> I tried to ping those Cisco people to participate ;-)
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<MattJ> stpeter, do we have any reliable 3rd-party opinions of OTR's suitability for XMPP?
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<MattJ> Next week is fine
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*linuxwolf keeps his XSF hat on
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<stpeter> MattJ: not really
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<linuxwolf> MattJ: I have comments, but have kept them to myself so far (-:
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<linuxwolf> I should stop doing that
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<Kev> Ok, so next week, usual time?
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<stpeter> MattJ: first we'd do an informational draft and then try standards-track, I think
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<linuxwolf> +1
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<dwd> Kev, I'd forgotten about our little roadtrip.
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<MattJ> stpeter, ok, I can't wait :)
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<Kev> dwd: I was taking your proposal to be an assurance that you'd keep me out of meetings for that time :)
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<Kev> 8) Any other business?
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<linuxwolf> none from me
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<dwd> Kev, WHat, I'm an overlord now? Cool.
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<MattJ> Ditto
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<Kev> dwd: No, Steve's the overlord, you're just responsible for keeping him away next Wednesday afternoon at 4 :)
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<Kev> In any case.
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<Kev> Lacking AOB, fini.
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<Kev> Thanks all.
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<linuxwolf> grazie
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<Kev> I'll send out minutes sometime soon (usually tomorrow).
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*Kev bangs the gavel
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*linuxwolf waves
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<waqas> Pft, missed the meeting again.
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<stpeter> hmm, I see nothing about the next meeting?
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*stpeter scrolls up
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<Kev> Next Wed, usual time.
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<Kev> It was discussed.
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<stpeter> sorry, I missed it
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<stpeter> was on the phone with my mom at the time so a bit distracted
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<Kev> Forgiven.
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<Kev> Now, sleep.
