Monday, March 22, 2010
council@muc.xmpp.org
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XMPP Council Room | https://xmpp.org/about/xmpp-standards-foundation#council | Room logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/council/ | https://trello.com/b/ww7zWMlI/xmpp-council-agenda

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[14:07:15] <Kev> Ahhar, that's two,t hen.
[14:07:26] <Kev> Ralph's sent apologies, so we're just waiting for Remko.
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[14:13:13] <Kev> Shame.
[14:13:16] <Kev> That would be quorum :)
[14:16:07] <MattJ> XEP-0136 is wacky
[14:17:56] <Kev> Yep.
[14:17:59] <Kev> And getting more so.
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[14:18:14] <MattJ> Indeed
[14:19:40] <Kev> So, without Ralph or Remko, I guess we've not got quorum and we give up.
[14:20:43] <Kev> 7PM UTC+1 next week?
[14:20:55] *MattJ slaps DST with a wet trout
[14:20:59] <MattJ> That'll be fine
[14:21:11] <MattJ> I'll send my 136 verdict to the list
[14:21:30] <Kev> Okely dokely.
[14:22:11] <MattJ> Oh, any response about new members?
[14:22:23] <Kev> Fritzy's standing.
[14:22:31] <Kev> I'll put the vote onto the agenda for next Monday.
[14:22:34] <MattJ> Ok
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[14:23:43] <Kev> You know, I'm finally beginning to agree with everyone who says that rosters are screwey.
[14:24:06] <MattJ> What's wrong with them?
[14:25:14] <Kev> It's daft that I send you a presence stanza with a subscribe in it. You decline it. You're now in my roster.
[14:25:26] <Kev> (subscription none)
[14:25:35] <MattJ> Ah yes, that's annoying
[14:25:57] <Kev> And the client dance is really stupid when adding a new contact.
[14:27:04] <MattJ> matthew@silver:~/prosody-hg$ wc -l plugins/mod_{message,iq,presence}.lua
79 plugins/mod_message.lua
78 plugins/mod_iq.lua
388 plugins/mod_presence.lua
545 total
[14:27:21] <Kev> *nod*
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[14:41:16] <ralphm> Indeed, would be nice if we could do away with the old way eventually
[14:41:54] <Kev> What's the 'old way' in question?
[14:42:42] <Kev> Or the new way, for that matter :)
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[14:47:09] <ralphm> well, I assume the new way would involve a nice IQ based solution
[14:47:22] <Kev> Ah, right, a hypothetic new way :)
[14:47:34] <ralphm> juggling presence messages for this is indeed horrible
[14:47:40] <ralphm> I tried to implement a session manager recently. Ugh
[14:47:41] <Kev> Yes, I'm finally starting to agree with throwing away what we have and doing Roster2
[14:51:17] <ralphm> nod
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