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XMPP Council Room | https://xmpp.org/about/xmpp-standards-foundation#council | Room logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/council/ | https://trello.com/b/ww7zWMlI/xmpp-council-agenda

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[13:04:08] <Kev> Right.
[13:04:12] <Kev> We are in need of more people.
[13:04:33] <Fritzy> Indeed.
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[13:04:45] <Kev> Remko and Matt poked, Ralph's not online.
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[13:05:26] <Kev> Both seem to be AFK.
[13:05:59] <Fritzy> how long do you want to give them?
[13:06:03] <Tobias> once upon a time there have been calendar entries for council meetings *nitpick*
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[13:06:13] *stpeter recommends getting rid of the sham democracy in the form of the Council and starting a new benevolent dictatorship under his sole and complete control
[13:06:18] <Kev> Tobias: remind Matt :)
[13:06:31] <Kev> Fritzy: 10 minutes or so.
[13:06:51] <Kev> Unless you're only at your PC because of Council, in which case we could make that 5.
[13:07:14] <Kev> Oh, yes, I can talk to the registrar while we wait.
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[13:07:26] <Fritzy> nope, have to be here anyway
[13:07:28] <Kev> stpeter: I think we need a 'stuff that was previously registered' to go with the current namespace registry.
[13:07:47] <Kev> Or a 'stuff that was previously in experimental XEPs' rather.
[13:08:05] <stpeter> hmmmmm
[13:08:15] <Kev> I spent far too long the other day working out why some clients were using a non-standard namespace, before I found out it's what was used in a previous version of the XEP.
[13:08:20] <stpeter> isn't that called "the trash bin"?
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[13:08:56] <stpeter> well I suppose you folks across the pond say "rubbish"
[13:09:00] <stpeter> but it's the same idea
[13:09:11] <Kev> It's ok, I can translate to "the trash rubbish" in my head :)
[13:09:28] <Fritzy> blimey
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[13:10:28] <stpeter> it seems problematic for the registrar to maintain a registry of unregistered namespaces
[13:10:59] <stpeter> unless we'd like a "formerly known as" column in the table
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[13:11:21] <Kev> Well, in theory we shouldn't get 'formerly known as' any more.
[13:11:28] <Kev> Because we've got the cunning :0 :1 stuff for that.
[13:11:39] <Kev> Unless we decide to change the namespace instead of versioning it.
[13:12:13] <stpeter> sure
[13:12:22] <stpeter> you're talking about pre-cunning namespaces
[13:12:44] <Kev> I am.
[13:12:55] <Kev> I guess it's not practical to go through and work out what they all were.
[13:13:05] <stpeter> I'd prefer not to :)
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[13:13:59] <Kev> Ok, that's 10 minutes up. Meeting aborted. Thanks guys.
[13:14:04] <Fritzy> ciao
[13:14:12] <stpeter> so next week
[13:14:15] <stpeter> and calendar
[13:14:16] <stpeter> ?
[13:14:23] <stpeter> happy to create that calendar item right now
[13:14:26] <darkrain> Kev: Out of curiosity, was that with the User Avatar spec? :)
[13:14:30] <Fritzy> stpeter: can I get access to JIRA?
[13:14:39] <Kev> Next week, yes, Matt usually does the calendar, but you're welcome to :)
[13:14:46] <Kev> darkrain: I don't remember, which I find quite distressing.
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[13:14:59] <stpeter> Fritzy: Jira or SVN?
[13:15:06] <Fritzy> I've got SVN working.
[13:15:09] <stpeter> isn't Jira shut down?
[13:15:13] <stpeter> pending security concerns?
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[13:15:27] <Fritzy> ah, ok
[13:15:30] <Tobias> i've talked to bear, he wanted to take care of jira tonight
[13:15:36] <Fritzy> are we using anything for tracking then?
[13:15:45] <Kev> I killed Jira because I was busy, and didn't have time to work out the right thing to do.
[13:15:51] <Tobias> take care in the meaning of bringing it back, not killing it completely :D
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[13:16:08] <Kev> Bear said there wasn't a vulnerability unless you were also running Apache, so it's probably fine to just upgrade and bring back.
[13:16:12] <Kev> If Bear's on that, great :)
[13:16:38] <Kev> He won't be getting any less busy when the GSoC slots are announced in 50 minutes, though :)
[13:16:41] <Kev> Anyway, I'm AFK now.
[13:16:57] <Kev> darkrain: it was xep-154
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[13:17:10] <stpeter> heh
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[13:20:27] <stpeter> calendar updated
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[13:21:42] <Kev> Thanks.
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[13:43:13] <bear> yes, i'm on jira - was in toronto and that kept me offline a lot more than I wanted (via bad VPN and also work schedule)
[13:43:40] <bear> sorry I missed meeting (even if i would just be lurking)
[13:44:11] <stpeter> bear: no worries, meeting postponed for lack of a quorum anyway
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[13:45:10] <MattJ> Did the meeting time change?
[13:45:13] *stpeter wonders if the lack of a calendar entry has caused scheduling confusion
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[13:45:29] <stpeter> Kev seems to have thought it was 18:00 UTC
[13:45:36] <MattJ> I thought it was 19:00 :/
[13:45:45] <Tobias> without a calendar entry, how could you know :P
[13:45:45] <stpeter> yeah so did I, until I poked him via IM
[13:45:50] <stpeter> Tobias: exactly
[13:45:51] <Kev> It's always 7pm UK time.
[13:46:05] *stpeter prefers UTC
[13:46:19] <stpeter> I have no idea what UK time is :)
[13:46:26] <MattJ> UTC+1
[13:46:31] <stpeter> sometimes
[13:46:35] <stpeter> other times not
[13:47:05] <Tobias> first they drive on the wrong side, and then they can't get the times right *joking* ;)
[13:47:15] *bear chuckles
[13:47:32] <MattJ> What's an hour between council members? :)
[13:47:52] <stpeter> well, I don't even speak English so what would I know?
[13:48:37] <stpeter> Fritzy: are you still -1 on XEP-0060?
[13:49:21] *stpeter pokes Remko for good measure
[13:49:27] <Fritzy> stpeter: I'm a +1. Thought I made that clear. I'll re-iterate on the list.
[13:49:55] <stpeter> Fritzy: I think I neglected to update the tallies page
[13:50:14] <Tobias> stpeter: btw: have you had time to review my changes on xep-0143?
[13:50:16] <stpeter> Fritzy: and as soon as 1.13 is published we can start working on 1.14 :)
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[13:50:26] <Fritzy> w00t
[13:51:41] <bear> when do I need to poke the board about GSoC student book purchases?
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[13:54:52] <Tobias> yay...got accepted for GSoC, thanks to all who voted for me, and damn you who didn't ;)
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[13:56:14] <stpeter> Tobias: yeah I haven't looked at those in a while, will add to my list
[13:56:40] *Tobias doesn't want to imagine the length of that list
[13:56:41] <Tobias> :)
[13:56:54] <stpeter> Tobias: it's fine to make the list shorter :P
[13:57:22] <stpeter> bear: in the past I bought the books (we've done that only once, IIRC)
[13:58:20] <bear> I think it would be really helpful to purchase the two newer books
[13:59:50] <bear> ok, google has updated the GSoC list of accepted projects
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[14:00:23] *bear goes to make a blog post draft
[14:00:30] <stpeter> we need to decide which books
[14:01:09] <bear> the new guide to jabber is a must IMO - a nice to have would be the javascript one - those are my two suggestions
[14:01:40] <stpeter> last time we did non-XMPP books
[14:01:53] <bear> oh
[14:01:54] <stpeter> "Getting Things Done" and "Pragmatic Programmer" I think
[14:02:14] <Kev> Sorry, I'm not really here.
[14:02:27] <stpeter> Kev: 'sok
[14:02:32] <Kev> I don't think we've got any javascript projects, so getting the Strophe book seems a bit daft.
[14:02:45] <Kev> I'd go with XMPP: TDG, Pragmatic, and GTD.
[14:03:18] <bear> k
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[14:10:26] <Tobias> do you know how the SoC web app shows a student whether he/she has been accepted or not?
[14:10:26] <bear> ok, review post is up - please poke holes in it
[14:10:35] <stpeter> bear: thanks
[14:10:39] <bear> it doesn't just yet - you get an email
[14:10:52] <bear> all I see is that the list of proposals is now "accepted" or "rejected"
[14:11:03] <Tobias> ahh..seems you get a new link at the left with List my Student Projects
[14:11:13] <Tobias> their UI could need plenty of improvement
[14:11:28] <bear> IIRC I think that was a GSoC project that didn't make it ;)
[14:11:43] <Tobias> bear: yeah, it looks that way :)
[14:11:58] <stpeter> bear: perhaps we can provide a brief description of each project?
[14:12:14] <Kev> We're not allowed to announce until CS says so - has she?
[14:12:32] <bear> I was thinking of introducting them after they students have been formally processed
[14:12:38] <bear> they have to accept the acceptance and all that
[14:12:49] <stpeter> see for instance http://blog.xmpp.org/index.php/2007/04/summer-of-code-projects/
[14:12:50] <stpeter> ah
[14:12:51] <stpeter> sure
[14:13:11] <stpeter> "sorry, we have not yet accepted your acceptance of the acceptance"
[14:13:12] <bear> but I opened that in a tab for later ;)
[14:13:13] <stpeter> brb
[14:13:15] <stpeter> :)
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[15:02:24] <bear> wow - the more I do with GSoC the more I see that needs to be done. I have no idea how you managed to do this solo in the past!
[15:02:30] *bear hugs stpeter
[15:02:49] <Kev> I'll be back at my keyboard a bit later. Do feeel free to poke me to do stuff.
[15:03:26] <bear> kev - oh - no worries - i'm just catching up while waiting for a work meeting to start
[15:03:36] <bear> we can meet later during your free time for sure
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