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XMPP Council Room | https://xmpp.org/about/xmpp-standards-foundation#council | Room logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/council/ | https://trello.com/b/ww7zWMlI/xmpp-council-agenda

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[16:46:07] <Kev> 76 minutes until last Council of term.
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[18:04:21] *stpeter waves to Kev
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[18:04:52] <Kev> *wave*
[18:04:58] <Kev> I've chased Matt, who's the only person online.
[18:05:07] <Kev> But he's away.
[18:05:20] <stpeter> losers
[18:05:24] <stpeter> we need to elect a new council
[18:05:30] <stpeter> oh, we're doing that today :)
[18:05:48] <stpeter> throw da bums out!
[18:05:55] <Kev> Well, in past years everyone turning up 15mins late has been fairly common.
[18:06:22] <Kev> So we'll give them a few minutes. This year's Council have been slightly more dilligent and punctual than many have been :)
[18:06:55] <Kev> IMHOYMMVIANAL
[18:07:53] <Tobias> heh
[18:10:01] <Kev> I wanted to get my protoXEP approved :(
[18:10:45] <stpeter> were any objections raised?
[18:11:00] <Kev> No, but tonight's the start of the objection period.
[18:11:10] <stpeter> ah!
[18:11:39] <Kev> But only if there's a meeting, which there isn't unless two more people turn up.
[18:13:56] <stpeter> hmph
[18:13:57] <stpeter> yeah
[18:14:01] <stpeter> I'm not seeing people online
[18:14:07] <Kev> Me neither.
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[18:16:40] <Kev> So that's 2/3 of quorum.
[18:18:11] <remko> hidilyho
[18:20:24] <Kev> I think we're fast approaching the point that we just give up.
[18:22:12] <Kev> Matt is online again now...
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[18:22:56] <Kev> Quorum!
[18:23:01] <MattJ> Sorry folks
[18:23:09] <Kev> 1) Roll call.
[18:23:17] <Kev> Kevin, Remko and Matt.
[18:23:23] <Kev> 2) Agenda bashing.
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[18:23:28] <MattJ> None
[18:23:37] <Kev> We now have an 8 minute meeting instead of the usual 30 :)
[18:23:45] <Kev> 3) XEP-0201 (Threads)
http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0201.html

Advance to Active?
[18:23:47] <stpeter> hehe
[18:24:00] <MattJ> +1 :)
[18:24:31] <stpeter> I suppose the new Council might need to vote on this one anyway
[18:24:37] <Kev> I think this is something that needs to be updated as we get real deployment experience with threads, but I'm fine with it now anyway.
[18:24:42] <stpeter> if the old Council doesn't complete its voting :)
[18:24:46] <Kev> stpeter: I don't think so, we have quorum tonight.
[18:24:55] <stpeter> ah, true
[18:25:06] <remko> +1
[18:25:09] <Kev> So if Ralph and Fritzy don't -1 it in the next fortnight, their votes are +0, and it goes through with a majority.
[18:25:13] <stpeter> "DNV" baby!
[18:25:27] <Kev> 4) XEP-xxxx: Federated MUC for constrained environments
http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/fmuc.html

Accept as Experimental?
[18:25:43] <remko> +1
[18:25:43] <MattJ> +1 to accepting
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[18:25:50] <Kev> I am, obviously, also in favour.
[18:26:03] <Kev> 4) XEP-xxxx: Federated MUC for constrained environments
http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/fmuc.html

Accept as Experimental?
[18:26:05] <MattJ> I haven't given it a thorough read, but it specs out roughly what I was already thinking was the best approach
[18:26:05] <Kev> Uhm
[18:26:11] <Kev> 5) Procedure: Inviting authors to meetings.
Philipp Hancke requests authors be invited, discuss.
[18:26:25] <Kev> MattJ: Right, rooms join rooms, with graceful degradation for slow links.
[18:26:26] <MattJ> First thought: Haven't we discussed this before?
[18:26:33] <Kev> Almost.
[18:26:45] <Kev> We discussed inviting people for accepting protoXEPs.
[18:26:58] <MattJ> Ah, I see
[18:27:01] <Kev> We roughly agreed, I tried it with the first few people who didn't normally turn up anyway, and they said they were too busy.
[18:27:10] <MattJ> Heh
[18:27:23] <MattJ> I think there are two things here
[18:27:25] <stpeter> I'm looking forward to (re-)reading all the fedmuc proposals
[18:27:36] <Kev> Philipp suggested inviting people every time their XEPs were on the agenda. I mostly put it here so it can be an action for next Council to discuss.
[18:27:46] <MattJ> One is whether we notify authors when their spec is on the agenda
[18:27:52] <Kev> As I don't think this Council needs to make a decision on it.
[18:27:59] <MattJ> This seems reasonable, though it could be argued they should follow their specs closer
[18:28:22] <stpeter> maybe we should invite Council members :)
[18:28:27] <Tobias> heh
[18:28:34] <Kev> stpeter: Yes, that might be nice.
[18:28:35] <MattJ> The second is whether we /require/ them to be there, which was also discussed previously - I don't think we need go down that route :)
[18:28:47] <MattJ> stpeter, I'm working on a council bot, FWIW :)
[18:28:55] <stpeter> excellent!
[18:28:56] <MattJ> which will include notifications, and updating the topic
[18:29:06] <Kev> Which will stand for Council 5 times in 2011, doing away with the need for the human factor.
[18:29:13] <stpeter> :)
[18:29:19] <MattJ> :)
[18:29:27] <paul> The ability for arbitrary people to request reminders would be nice, MattJ :)
[18:29:30] <MattJ> +1 to everything
[18:29:38] <MattJ> paul, pubsub? :)
[18:29:54] <Kev> Right, so I'll look forward to this bot, and I'll write an action in the minutes for next Council to discuss.
[18:29:55] <Kev> 6) Thanks all.
[18:29:58] <paul> Sure! :)
[18:30:05] <MattJ> What happened to AOB? :P
[18:30:06] <remko> welcome
[18:30:15] <Kev> So, I'd like to thank the current Council for all their hard work and turning up so diligently :)
[18:30:29] <Kev> 7) Any other business.

[18:30:32] *stpeter loves that ironic British sense of humour
[18:30:49] <remko> i'ld like to apoligize to the council chair for not turning up very diligently
[18:31:12] <Kev> remko: You are here at the moment...
[18:31:15] <MattJ> I don't /really/ have any AOB, other than my apologies for not turning up last week, which iirc is the only time I have not done so :)
[18:31:24] <stpeter> remko: don't worry, your lifetime pension payments are based on your salary on your final day of employment!
[18:31:54] <MattJ> there wasn't anything I needed to vote on, was there? I did read the logs and it didn't seem that way
[18:32:01] <stpeter> nope
[18:32:09] <MattJ> Good :)
[18:32:27] <Kev> MattJ: No, we elected to last call dialback, and to schedule a vote on threads for this meeting.
[18:32:50] <MattJ> Yep, I'm going to give some feedback on dialback
[18:32:55] <stpeter> now that the bis drafts are done I'm going to get busy on XEPs again -- just warning you all!
[18:33:02] <Kev> So, I think we're all done, and we'll leave it to the next Council to decide when the next meeting is.
[18:33:02] <MattJ> stpeter, yay!
[18:33:13] <MattJ> We've been missing our editor, really
[18:33:15] <stpeter> the next Council will have lots to work on
[18:33:20] <Kev> Thanks, Council of 2009/2010!
[18:33:23] *Kev bangs the gavel.
[18:33:24] <remko> yaaay
[18:33:25] <MattJ> Thanks chair!
[18:33:44] <Kev> I'll send out some minutes tomorrow.
[18:33:58] <stpeter> thanks, Kev
[18:34:04] <remko> thanks kev
[18:35:44] <stpeter> brb, and see you in the xsf@ room in little while...
[18:36:11] <MattJ> xsf@? or foundation@?
[18:36:24] <MattJ> xsf
[18:36:28] <MattJ> Changes changes :)
[18:36:32] <Kev> xsf@
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[18:41:30] <ralphm> sorry I missed it
[18:41:40] <ralphm> thanks all for this term
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