Wednesday, December 08, 2010
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XMPP Council Room | https://xmpp.org/about/xmpp-standards-foundation#council | Room logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/council/ | https://trello.com/b/ww7zWMlI/xmpp-council-agenda

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[16:02:12] <Kev> Evening.
[16:02:18] <Kev> Two people here on time today.
[16:02:27] <Kev> Pretty impressive.
[16:02:32] <MattJ> :)
[16:03:00] <Kev> What's MM's JID?
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[16:04:07] <MattJ> linuxwolf on outer-planes.net
[16:04:57] <Kev> Ta
[16:05:40] <MattJ> "Away since 15:59:06" :)
[16:06:02] <Kev> Fritzy did mention trouble with the house a day or two ago, although I didn't think that was intended to be apologies for Council. Maybe it was.
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[16:06:18] <linuxwolf> HERE!
[16:06:23] <MattJ> Yay!
[16:06:29] <linuxwolf> /whew
[16:06:40] <Kev> Well, no sign of Fritzy or Ralph.
[16:07:08] <Kev> Oh, this does make me wonder about something, I'll AOB it.
[16:07:19] <Kev> 1) Roll call
[16:07:30] *dwd rolls.
[16:07:41] <Kev> Matt & Matt & Kev. I'm not sure if Fritzy intended to apologise or not. Ralph hasn't.
[16:07:49] <Kev> 2) Agenda bashing.
[16:07:55] <Kev> I'll add something about minutes to the end.
[16:07:56] *linuxwolf thinks of Newhart
[16:08:23] <MattJ> No bashing
[16:08:25] <linuxwolf> I've got nothing to add or object to this week
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[16:08:53] <Kev> 3) http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/remote-auth.html
Accept as XEP?
[16:09:11] <MattJ> +1
[16:09:13] <linuxwolf> I guess
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[16:09:29] <Kev> Despite some quite active discussion on the list, I don't see a reason to block this for the moment.
[16:09:36] <linuxwolf> agreed
[16:09:51] <linuxwolf> +1 on accepting, but I doubt it actually solving a problem
[16:10:06] <linuxwolf> IMO
[16:10:24] <Kev> Right.
[16:10:37] <Kev> 4) Interop report (Kev)
[16:10:44] <Kev> So, we've got the server interop event this week.
[16:11:25] <Kev> M-Link, Ejabberd, Prosody, Tigase and Psyched are participating on the server side, things are underway, we're doing basic today, TLS tomorrow, and TLS with cert checking Friday.
[16:12:09] <Kev> I've put up some basic test plan, am vaguely overseeing (I'm avoiding being the Isode contact so I can keep my XSF hat on), and I'll write up an informal report at the end of the week.
[16:12:16] <Kev> Not much to say other than that.
[16:12:24] <Kev> 5) bis report (Peter)

[16:12:34] <Kev> Except stpeter seems to be DND.
[16:13:04] <dwd> My amazing psychic powers tell me he's on the phone.
[16:13:08] *linuxwolf goes around corner to see if he's in office
[16:13:09] <Kev> Quite.
[16:13:17] <Kev> 6) e2e report (Peter)
[16:13:23] <Kev> Also problematic without Peter.
[16:13:28] <Kev> So let's jump to my extra point
[16:13:47] <mlundblad> dwd: my amazing contact list tells me he's "on the phone"
[16:13:49] <mlundblad> :)
[16:13:50] <linuxwolf> stpeter must be working form home…so no way to ping him
[16:13:58] <Kev> 7) Minutes of Council attendance.
[16:14:01] <linuxwolf> s/ping/poke
[16:14:06] <stpeter> hmm
[16:14:07] <MattJ> linuxwolf, could give him a call... oh
[16:14:09] <dwd> linuxwolf, Yeah, working from home, we all know what that means.
[16:14:26] <linuxwolf> "A wild stpeter appears!"
[16:14:34] <stpeter> stupid calendar didn't pop up a reminder
[16:14:38] <Kev> I don't intend to be a bastard about it, but I keep writing minutes saying "X wuz ere" in the Roll call, when X didn't turn up until Council was about to end.
[16:14:54] <Kev> As these are supposed to be a record of what actually happens, I think they should probably indicate this.
[16:14:54] <linuxwolf> Kev: 10 minute rule
[16:15:03] <Kev> So I'm inclined to start saying "Here, not here, late"
[16:15:19] <MattJ> Fine by me, that also occurred in my mind when reading the last minutes
[16:15:32] <Kev> linuxwolf: Is that as an alternative to what I propose?
[16:15:48] <Kev> It wasn't that I want to start being a bastard about anyone 30 seconds late.
[16:15:58] <linuxwolf> Kev: yes…from my college days…if you're more than 10 minutes late, you're "not here"
[16:16:00] <dwd> I would also note that for members who actually care about who they vote for, having an accurate account of who turns up to meetings, and who votes (and when!) is a useful metric.
[16:16:24] <Kev> dwd: I'm not convinced by 'and when', any more.
[16:16:26] <linuxwolf> which impacted your ability to access the lab compueters
[16:16:33] <Kev> Given that we now have a standard voting period, and we stick to it.
[16:16:39] <stpeter> anyway, about e2e I've talked with the OTR guys about potentially documenting their stuff in an RFC (probably informational), we'll see where that leads
[16:16:59] <Kev> linuxwolf: Which is ok, except that 10 minutes late is 33% of the longest Council meeting :)
[16:17:00] <MattJ> +1 - I might vote late because I want to give the specs more careful review, etc.
[16:17:21] *stpeter scrolls up
[16:17:22] <linuxwolf> Kev: 5 minutes late?
[16:17:24] <linuxwolf> (-:
[16:17:49] <dwd> MattJ, Yes, that seems reasonable. Not voting at all is less than helpful, though, speaking as a spec author (on occasion).
[16:17:56] <MattJ> Agreed
[16:17:58] <linuxwolf> /nod
[16:18:09] <Kev> linuxwolf: I was going to go by the "If someone's late, they're marked late", and "If someone's not here by the time I gavel-bang, they're Not Here"
[16:18:22] <Kev> So I'll go with this method in future minutes unless someone fiercely objects.
[16:18:32] <linuxwolf> Kev: either works for me…depends on how heavy-handed we want to be
[16:18:58] <Kev> I don't overly intend to be heavy-handed, and needing to poke someone because they forgot, and turn up 30seconds later isn't the point.
[16:18:59] <linuxwolf> Kev: you're the Chair, afterall (-:
[16:19:18] *Kev goes to read up for stpeter's comment.
[16:19:36] <Kev> Ok, so that was the e2e report - bis, stpeter?
[16:19:58] <stpeter> the bis docs are getting closer every day, damn IESG members :)
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[16:20:24] <stpeter> still waiting for further feedback from the general area review team reviewer
[16:20:31] <dwd> I admit I'm probably not exactly helping by nitpicking on bits I re-review. :-/
[16:20:33] <Kev> Enough of a report for me :)
[16:20:47] <Kev> Date of next meeting?
[16:20:53] <linuxwolf> dwd: are you admitting to being a troll? (-:
[16:20:57] <stpeter> it's on the agenda for next Thursday again (IESG telechat)
[16:21:07] <Kev> I'm inclined at this point to suggest 'first Wed in Jan', and skip the holiday season, but could be talked into other things.
[16:21:11] <dwd> linuxwolf, No, I just happen to *like* living under this bridge.
[16:21:40] <dwd> Kev, Might be useful to have one next week to review this week's interop.
[16:22:00] <linuxwolf> agreed
[16:22:03] <stpeter> yeah, interop review would be good
[16:22:04] <Kev> I can do next week, as long as my Isode overlords keep me out of meetings despite being in the office.
[16:22:07] <linuxwolf> (with dwd, oddly enough)
[16:22:13] <stpeter> I tried to ping those Cisco people to participate ;-)
[16:22:16] <MattJ> stpeter, do we have any reliable 3rd-party opinions of OTR's suitability for XMPP?
[16:22:22] <MattJ> Next week is fine
[16:22:23] *linuxwolf keeps his XSF hat on
[16:22:47] <stpeter> MattJ: not really
[16:22:59] <linuxwolf> MattJ: I have comments, but have kept them to myself so far (-:
[16:23:02] <linuxwolf> I should stop doing that
[16:23:09] <Kev> Ok, so next week, usual time?
[16:23:12] <stpeter> MattJ: first we'd do an informational draft and then try standards-track, I think
[16:23:12] <linuxwolf> +1
[16:23:23] <dwd> Kev, I'd forgotten about our little roadtrip.
[16:23:41] <MattJ> stpeter, ok, I can't wait :)
[16:23:45] <Kev> dwd: I was taking your proposal to be an assurance that you'd keep me out of meetings for that time :)
[16:24:03] <Kev> 8) Any other business?
[16:24:25] <linuxwolf> none from me
[16:24:30] <dwd> Kev, WHat, I'm an overlord now? Cool.
[16:24:30] <MattJ> Ditto
[16:24:51] <Kev> dwd: No, Steve's the overlord, you're just responsible for keeping him away next Wednesday afternoon at 4 :)
[16:25:07] <Kev> In any case.
[16:25:15] <Kev> Lacking AOB, fini.
[16:25:19] <Kev> Thanks all.
[16:25:26] <linuxwolf> grazie
[16:25:32] <Kev> I'll send out minutes sometime soon (usually tomorrow).
[16:25:35] *Kev bangs the gavel
[16:25:43] *linuxwolf waves
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[23:44:56] <stpeter> hmm, I see nothing about the next meeting?
[23:44:59] *stpeter scrolls up
[23:45:19] <Kev> Next Wed, usual time.
[23:45:21] <Kev> It was discussed.
[23:45:26] <stpeter> sorry, I missed it
[23:45:36] <stpeter> was on the phone with my mom at the time so a bit distracted
[23:47:04] <Kev> Forgiven.
[23:47:55] <Kev> Now, sleep.
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