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XMPP Council Room | https://xmpp.org/about/xmpp-standards-foundation#council | Room logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/council/ | https://trello.com/b/ww7zWMlI/xmpp-council-agenda

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[15:54:03] <stpeter> we're scheduled to have a meeting soon, right?
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[15:54:37] <Kev> 9mins, yeah.
[15:54:42] <Kev> My alarm should go off in about 5.
[15:54:48] <stpeter> :)
[15:55:00] <Kev> Mind's all over the place today, unusual for me to set an alarm.
[15:56:12] <stpeter> my mind's been all over the place since the first of the year, it seems
[15:56:24] <linuxwolf> ditto
[15:56:37] <stpeter> but maybe it's this spell of vertigo I've got... ;-)
[15:56:37] *linuxwolf goes to refill coffee before meeting
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[15:57:44] <stpeter> today I'm going to start reviews of open issues related to various topics for the Summit
[15:57:57] <stpeter> then post summary messages to standards@
[15:58:09] <stpeter> first up will be XEP-0198
[15:58:40] <stpeter> I'll start updating http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Radar too
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[16:04:07] <MattJ> *ding*
[16:04:13] <Kev> Righty.
[16:04:14] <linuxwolf> *dong*
[16:04:29] <Kev> 1) Baps
[16:05:03] <Kev> Matt and Matt seem to be here, missing Ralph and Nathan.
[16:05:12] <Kev> 2) Agenda Bashing.
[16:05:20] <MattJ> None
[16:05:26] <linuxwolf> none here
[16:05:31] <stpeter> I might have some AOB items at the end
[16:05:44] <Kev> 3) Encapsulated Digital Signatures in XMPP
http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/encapsulated-signatures.html
Accept as XEP?
[16:05:53] <Kev> I don't see a reason not to.
[16:06:05] <Kev> This is Kurt's alternative to the Encapsulating signatures XEP.
[16:06:14] <linuxwolf> +1
[16:06:23] <Kev> I'm much more keen on encapsulated signatures.
[16:06:35] <stpeter> so this is intended to replace XEP-0285?
[16:06:45] <Kev> stpeter: not immediately.
[16:06:55] <Kev> I mean: Publishing this doesn't deprecate 285
[16:06:58] <stpeter> sure
[16:07:06] <MattJ> Kev, but is that the intention in the long run?
[16:07:11] <Kev> The intention is that this is going to prove to be much better and 285 would be retracted.
[16:07:13] <stpeter> but in general Kurt prefers this new approach to the older one
[16:07:16] <stpeter> ok
[16:07:16] <stpeter> super
[16:07:31] <stpeter> I love it when authors do some rethinking
[16:07:35] <linuxwolf> (-:
[16:07:39] <Kev> Kurt would have updated the old one, but I suggested that as it was a completely different approach it deserved a new XEP.
[16:07:46] *stpeter nods
[16:07:48] <stpeter> makes sense to me
[16:08:04] <Kev> And it's partly down to a misunderstanding with me that Kurt did 285 in the first place - this was always his preference, I believe.
[16:08:21] <MattJ> Ok, +1 then :)
[16:08:34] <Kev> 4) Service Delegation
http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/service-delegation.html
Accept as XEP?
[16:09:00] <Kev> There are issues that I have with this, but they're not core.
[16:09:09] <Kev> So I'd rather publish and address.
[16:09:38] <stpeter> always my preference :)
[16:09:43] <linuxwolf> same here
[16:10:08] <MattJ> +1
[16:10:25] <MattJ> Someone (in jdev?) suggested PEP would be better, I think it's worth thinking about
[16:10:35] <Kev> Right.
[16:10:46] <Kev> It's something that is worth addressing, though, I'm happy for this XEP to evolve to it.
[16:10:52] <MattJ> Agreed
[16:10:57] <Kev> This is going to be interesting to ST and co too, I expect.
[16:11:04] <linuxwolf> /nod
[16:11:12] <linuxwolf> now if gmail.com would support PEP...
[16:11:20] <stpeter> hrm yeah
[16:11:43] <Kev> Right, was that not objecting from both Matts?
[16:11:51] <linuxwolf>
[16:11:58] <MattJ> It was
[16:12:00] <Kev> Great.
[16:12:05] <Kev> Next meeting - next Wednesday?
[16:12:18] <Kev> I'm going to have problems with several weeks after that, for assorted reasons.
[16:12:23] <stpeter> WFM
[16:12:25] <MattJ> +1
[16:12:26] <Kev> Some insurmountable some not :)
[16:12:30] <linuxwolf> +1
[16:12:46] <linuxwolf> wow…I've got time to get to my next meeting!
[16:12:47] <Kev> Righty, what was your
6) AOB
Then, Peter?
[16:12:57] <stpeter> rightio
[16:13:33] <stpeter> I chatted with Emil Ivov of SIP Communicator (soon to be Jitsi) and we think that the ZRTP spec is ready for Last Call (XEP-0262)
[16:13:46] <stpeter> they have an implementation
[16:13:51] <stpeter> and feedback has been incorporated
[16:13:56] <stpeter> however, he and his team will be at FOSDEM
[16:14:00] <linuxwolf> very nice
[16:14:08] <stpeter> so we could chat with him there and then issue the Last Call
[16:14:11] <stpeter> no real preference here
[16:14:25] <Kev> Let's chat at FOSDEM with people we can chat with at FOSDEM.
[16:14:32] <stpeter> the ZRTP spec was approved at the IETF last year but still doesn't have an RFC number
[16:14:36] <stpeter> sure, WFM
[16:14:44] <stpeter> same goes for Jingle Early Media (XEP-0269)
[16:14:58] <stpeter> I need to poke Justin Uberti about that one, too
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[16:15:29] <stpeter> http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Radar needs serious attention, but I've started that this morning
[16:15:41] <MattJ> I hope 3920bis gets an RFC number before the year is out :)
[16:15:45] <stpeter> this will result in lots of experimental XEPs going dormant etc.
[16:16:09] <stpeter> MattJ: I hold the record for addressing and approving RFC Editor feedback, I hope to break that record this time ;-)
[16:16:20] <MattJ> :)
[16:16:31] <Kev> stpeter: Radar was originally for my benefit, I think, and I'm not in need of that any more.
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[16:16:53] <stpeter> Kev: I think it will help me stay more organized :)
[16:16:54] <Kev> But if you have other reasons for updating it, feel free :)
[16:17:02] <Kev> So will MaybeLater, I'm sure :)
[16:17:08] <stpeter> heh
[16:17:09] <stpeter> true
[16:17:20] <stpeter> ok, that's my AOB item
[16:17:31] <Kev> Great, anyone else?
[16:17:43] <MattJ> Not here
[16:17:45] <linuxwolf> not today
[16:17:53] <Kev> Fab.
[16:17:55] <stpeter> not here, not today, not right now!
[16:18:01] <linuxwolf> oh, other than I have tickets and hotel accommodations for FOSDEM
[16:18:06] <stpeter> woot!
[16:18:08] <Kev> Yay!
[16:18:22] <linuxwolf> that was the fastest I've ever had travel booked and approved
[16:18:31] <linuxwolf> literally 20 minutes
[16:18:41] <Kev> Fab.
[16:18:53] <Kev> Let's get multi-resource sorted :)
[16:18:57] <linuxwolf> definitely
[16:18:59] *stpeter looks at the 7170 messages in his inbox and blanches
[16:19:07] <vt100> .o0( ouch )
[16:19:23] <Kev> stpeter: Move them all to another folder, and just move them back 50 at a time or so.
[16:19:30] <Kev> Hoorah for mind tricks.
[16:19:32] <Kev> Anyway.
[16:19:33] <stpeter> :)
[16:19:43] <Kev> Thanks all, tune in next week, same bat time, same bat channel.
[16:19:45] *Kev bangs the gavel.
[16:19:52] <stpeter> excellent
[16:20:00] *stpeter updates the calendar
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[16:20:23] <MattJ> Thanks Kev
[16:20:55] <Kev> And for making me feel far too old - http://superuser.com/questions/231273/what-are-the-windows-a-and-b-drives-used-for
[16:21:13] <linuxwolf> oh wow
[16:21:32] <linuxwolf> I just found my first HDD … a whole whopping 40MB
[16:22:35] <linuxwolf> alright … adios amigos
[16:22:35] <stpeter> heh
[16:22:38] <stpeter> mine was 20
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[16:23:01] *stpeter runs calgen.py
[16:24:23] <Kev> Thanks Peter.
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[16:28:46] <stpeter> http://xmpp.org/extensions/ is nice if you allow googleapis.com to run scripts :)
[16:29:35] <MattJ> :)
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[16:29:55] <stpeter> hey Remko!
[16:30:00] <remko> hey peter
[16:30:05] <remko> i thought i'ld drop in to see how the meeting went :)
[16:30:08] <stpeter> hehe
[16:30:13] <stpeter> yeah, Kev is quick about meetings
[16:30:26] <remko> (i did see your microblog announcement in time, though. Good initiative ;-))
[16:30:45] <Kev> Kev just has a very short atte
[16:30:47] <stpeter> yeah the infrastructure team needs to automate that!
[16:30:51] <stpeter> :)
[16:30:58] <remko> true
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