Monday, February 28, 2011
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[17:08:41] <stpeter> http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/xmpp-council/first-council/
[17:09:26] <Kev> The table columns are screwey for me in that -yours too?
[17:10:11] <stpeter> how screwy?
[17:10:24] <stpeter> the headers?
[17:10:50] <Kev> Yeah.
[17:10:59] <Kev> I guess there are just too many of them.
[17:11:03] <stpeter> right
[17:11:07] <stpeter> damn first council
[17:11:09] <stpeter> 9 members
[17:11:14] <stpeter> insanity
[17:11:19] <stpeter> life got better after that
[17:11:47] <stpeter> it will look fine when we get to the years with 5 members
[17:12:17] <stpeter> no one really cares what happened back then, but it's good to have a complete historical record
[17:12:25] <Kev> It's better, yes.
[17:13:29] <stpeter> the second council still had 9
[17:13:34] <stpeter> and lots of votes, too
[17:13:56] <Kev> I know, I know. Us kids today don't know how good we've got it.
[17:14:24] <stpeter> :P
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[17:37:07] <stpeter> the tallies for the second council include votes to defer and reject specs -- I see no special reason to include those in the new tallies, given that no other council has ever recorded those (or even completed such votes)
[17:37:43] <Kev> Deferrence is something that happens automatically without Council involvement. I see no reason for that to appear.
[17:37:55] <Kev> Should rejection be recorded, though?
[17:38:35] <stpeter> and the second Council rejected specs only at one meeting, on October 15 2002 :)
[17:38:58] <Kev> Should we be recording that RTT was rejected this week, for example?
[17:39:09] <Kev> I'd have thought we should, but I'm open to debate :)
[17:39:29] <stpeter> well
[17:39:44] <stpeter> it can't be rejected if it's not a XEP
[17:39:51] <stpeter> it simply wasn't accepted
[17:39:54] <stpeter> we do have meeting minutes
[17:40:01] <Kev> Ah, you mean state = Rejected :)
[17:40:04] <stpeter> the vote tallies are for tracking of specs through the standards process
[17:40:04] <stpeter> right
[17:40:08] <Kev> Yes, that should certainly be recorded.
[17:44:19] <stpeter> gosh, we really need to make XEP-0045 final -- it progressed to Draft on 2002-11-21 (!)
[17:44:43] <Kev> It needs some work. I'm happy to commit a bunch of edits to it if you don't mind relinquishing some control :)
[17:45:14] <stpeter> I'm in the middle of keying in modifications, can we wait until that's done?
[17:45:21] <Kev> Natch.
[17:45:24] <stpeter> :)
[17:45:42] <stpeter> wow, I've been on hold for a full hour here
[17:45:49] <stpeter> perhaps it would make sense to call back later
[17:50:31] <stpeter> well, I got dropped -- problem solved
[17:50:36] <Kev> \o/
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