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XMPP Council Room | https://xmpp.org/about/xmpp-standards-foundation#council | Room logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/council/ | https://trello.com/b/ww7zWMlI/xmpp-council-agenda

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[09:37:13] <Kev> !agendaappend XEP-0237: Roster Versioning
Accept version 1.2?
http://xmpp.org/extensions/diff/api/xep/0237/diff/1.1/vs/1.2rc1
http://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0237-1.2.html
[09:37:13] <Kanchil+> Kev: Done.
[09:37:23] <Kev> !agendaup -6
[09:37:23] <Kanchil+> Kev: 0) Fini.
[09:37:28] <Kev> !agendaup
[09:37:28] <Kanchil+> Kev: 1) Roll call
[09:37:45] <Kev> !agendaup -1
[09:37:45] <Kanchil+> Kev: 0) Fini.
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[11:09:07] <dwd> !agenda
[11:09:20] <dwd> Oh. It's not here.
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[11:09:54] <Kev> It is here, it just won't listen to you
[11:09:55] <Kev> !agenda
[11:09:55] <Kanchil+> Kev: 1) Roll call
2) Agenda bashing
3) Proposed XMPP Extension: Jingle RTP Header Extensions Negotiation
http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/rtp-hdrext.html
Accept as XEP?
4) Proposed XMPP Extension: Jingle RTP Feedback Negotiation
http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/rtcp-fb.html
Accept as XEP?
5) Proposed XMPP Extension: Sensor-Over-XMPP
http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/sensors.html
Accept as XEP?
6) XEP-0237: Roster Versioning
Accept version 1.2?
http://xmpp.org/extensions/diff/api/xep/0237/diff/1.1/vs/1.2rc1
http://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0237-1.2.html
7) Date of next meeting
8) Any other business
Fini
[11:10:07] <dwd> Interesting. I don't see it...
[11:10:17] <Kev> Are you looking at the moderators?
[11:10:41] <dwd> Yes. Probably it's just that I really need to update my server to a recent build. :-)
[11:11:43] <dwd> Oh, either that or I got desynched at some point.
[11:12:14] <Kev> Could be.
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[14:43:46] <stpeter> ah, from my perspective today's Council meeting is shifted forward an hour -- I think European countries go forward on March 26, right?
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[14:44:08] <Kev> Sounds right for the UK.
[14:44:32] <stpeter> great, I get to lose two hours this year because I'll be in Prague then
[14:44:34] <Kev> I was aware the US wasn't in sync with the UK (is it even in sync with itself?), that's why I warned everyone last week :)
[14:45:00] <stpeter> plus I lose that hour the night I arrive -- fun :)
[14:45:19] <stpeter> ah, the glamour of international travel
[14:45:55] *stpeter crawls back under his rock to concentrate on document reviews for tomorrow's IESG telechat
[14:46:59] <Kev> Enjoy :)
[14:47:31] <stpeter> Kev: BTW I noticed http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Radar in the room subject -- perhaps I should delete that page or redirect it to http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/xmpp-council/
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[15:01:25] <Kev> One hour.
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[15:01:32] <Kev> For those wondering about timezones :)
[15:01:37] <linuxwolf> (-:
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[15:54:55] <stpeter> hi Ralph and Fritzy!
[15:55:02] <Fritzy> howdy
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[15:59:33] <Kev> Right, enough time to graba sammich :)
[15:59:58] <linuxwolf> !agenda
[16:00:21] <linuxwolf> Kanchil+ is so capricious
[16:00:26] <stpeter> maybe Kanchil ain't feeling so plus today
[16:00:31] <Kev> !agenda
[16:00:31] <Kanchil+> Kev: 1) Roll call
2) Agenda bashing
3) Proposed XMPP Extension: Jingle RTP Header Extensions Negotiation
http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/rtp-hdrext.html
Accept as XEP?
4) Proposed XMPP Extension: Jingle RTP Feedback Negotiation
http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/rtcp-fb.html
Accept as XEP?
5) Proposed XMPP Extension: Sensor-Over-XMPP
http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/sensors.html
Accept as XEP?
6) XEP-0237: Roster Versioning
Accept version 1.2?
http://xmpp.org/extensions/diff/api/xep/0237/diff/1.1/vs/1.2rc1
http://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0237-1.2.html
7) Date of next meeting
8) Any other business
Fini
[16:00:35] <Kev> Seems good to me :)
[16:00:40] <stpeter> :P
[16:01:04] <Kev> I do have a patch to make that command "anyone" instead of "owner", but haven't deployed it.
[16:01:07] <Kev> Anyway, it is time.
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[16:01:19] <Kev> Fritzy, linuxwolf, ralphm: PIING :)
[16:01:23] <Kev> !agendaup
[16:01:23] <Kanchil+> Kev: 1) Roll call
[16:01:25] <Kev> I'm here
[16:01:26] <linuxwolf> pong
[16:01:34] <Kev> MattJ sent apologies.
[16:01:39] <ralphm> woot
[16:02:12] <Kev> Fritzy: you there?
[16:02:55] <Fritzy> yeah
[16:02:59] <Kev> Jolly good.
[16:03:01] <Kev> !agendaup
[16:03:01] <Kanchil+> Kev: 2) Agenda bashing
[16:03:10] <Fritzy> I like what we have today
[16:03:32] <Kev> No-one, then?
[16:03:34] <Kev> Jolly good :)
[16:03:35] <linuxwolf> I'd like to talk about..
[16:03:42] <linuxwolf> gah…slow down there, Tex
[16:03:50] <stpeter> :)
[16:03:50] <Kev> :)
[16:03:56] <linuxwolf> moving carbons fwd (-:
[16:04:22] <linuxwolf> that's it
[16:04:23] <Kev> !agendaappend Moving carbons forward.
[16:04:23] <Kanchil+> Kev: Done.
[16:04:35] <Kev> !agendaup
[16:04:35] <Kanchil+> Kev: 3) Proposed XMPP Extension: Jingle RTP Header Extensions Negotiation
http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/rtp-hdrext.html
Accept as XEP?
[16:04:46] <Kev> I'm ok with this.
[16:05:06] <linuxwolf> +1
[16:05:37] <Fritzy> it seems fine to me +1
[16:06:06] <Kev> ralphm: ?
[16:06:37] <ralphm> I was wondering if sdp is used in combination with jingle
[16:06:52] <dwd> A question - is there any mileage in having entities advertise supported RTP headers via Disco as well?
[16:07:09] <dwd> ralphm, We basically use the same semantics as SDP but within an XML syntax, in Jingle.
[16:07:47] <ralphm> right
[16:08:37] <Kev> You know, CSN would be useful in MUCs sometimes...
[16:08:44] <linuxwolf> (-:
[16:08:53] <stpeter> dwd: sounds like a good question to ask on the jingle@ list
[16:08:57] <stpeter> Kev: in meetings, yes
[16:09:04] <Fritzy> dwd: I think that could be useful, and could easily be added to the spec... but I don't know the answer.
[16:09:17] <linuxwolf> to the list!
[16:09:31] <Kev> ralphm: Did you have an opinion on it right now?
[16:09:32] <Fritzy> I mean, it's already there
[16:09:33] <ralphm> I'm +1
[16:09:35] <Kev> Ta.
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[16:09:56] <Kev> I'm assuming dwd volunteered to mail the list with the question.
[16:09:58] <Kev> !agendaup
[16:09:58] <Kanchil+> Kev: 4) Proposed XMPP Extension: Jingle RTP Feedback Negotiation
http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/rtcp-fb.html
Accept as XEP?
[16:10:06] <Kev> I'm similarly +1 on this.
[16:10:17] <linuxwolf> also +1
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[16:10:49] <Fritzy> yup, along the same lines +1
[16:11:42] <Kev> ralphm: ?
[16:11:42] <dwd> So as this is another SDP reframed, is it worth considering making a generic SDP-in-XML specification somewhere instead?
[16:12:10] <dwd> Otherwise someone has to "port" each new SDPism into Jingle, which seems unfortunate.
[16:12:13] <stpeter> dwd: I don't think SDP is generically-structured enough for that to be possible
[16:12:21] <linuxwolf> I seem to recall some attempt at that, but SDP isn't generic enough
[16:12:27] <linuxwolf> gah…beat by the saint
[16:12:30] <ralphm> +1
[16:12:49] <ralphm> dwd: right, that was really my point earlier but I got distracted
[16:13:00] <Kev> dwd: Is that volunteering to bring stuff up on list again?
[16:13:09] <ralphm> http://www.scribd.com/doc/95534/Jingle-Multimedia-Description-Using-SDP
[16:13:12] <ralphm> is something I found
[16:13:18] <dwd> I never volunteer. I might assign a staff member, though.
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[16:13:31] <ralphm> which looks horrible
[16:13:33] <Fritzy> haha, there you go
[16:13:37] <linuxwolf> maybe the council can volunteer dwd
[16:13:39] <linuxwolf> (-:
[16:14:09] <dwd> I can delegate to an underling. :-)
[16:14:19] <ralphm> minion, is the term
[16:14:19] <stpeter> I didn't realize dwd had minions
[16:14:22] <stpeter> heh
[16:14:24] <Kev> Oh, well, that's one way of wrapping SDP, I suppose.
[16:14:29] <linuxwolf> or peon
[16:14:31] <dwd> stpeter, Henchmen.
[16:14:37] <Fritzy> I have authenticated linuxwolf's identity by his backwards smile
[16:14:48] <linuxwolf> (-;
[16:14:53] <Kev> Ok, moving on then.
[16:14:55] <Kev> !agendaup
[16:14:55] <Kanchil+> Kev: 5) Proposed XMPP Extension: Sensor-Over-XMPP
http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/sensors.html
Accept as XEP?
[16:15:02] <linuxwolf> oof
[16:15:04] <Fritzy> so, I have a concern
[16:15:08] <linuxwolf> that was a hard hard read
[16:15:12] <Kev> This one has enough problems that I'm tempted to -1 it.
[16:15:14] <dwd> I read most of that one. At least the first 270 pages.
[16:15:25] <Kev> Let me find them.
[16:15:25] <Fritzy> using pubsub to send commands (actuators in this case) is a mis-use.
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[16:15:34] <linuxwolf> agreed
[16:15:44] <Kev> Fritzy: Actually, that's one thing that I'm not *too* worried about.
[16:16:12] <linuxwolf> the structuring is awkward…and the differences in timestamping..and ....
[16:16:13] <dwd> Fritzy, Erm... Perhaps. Queueing commands that should be processed by available actuators seems like a non-misuse.
[16:16:15] <Kev> The semantics seem to fit.
[16:16:16] <ralphm> I never considered solving this problem domain so generically
[16:16:22] <stpeter> dwd: I'll volunteer you for the IESG, then you'll find out about reading long documents...
[16:16:46] <Fritzy> really, this spec could be watered down to a payload schema and some basic intro.
[16:16:49] *linuxwolf is surprised stpeter's desk has not collapsed from the weight of printed I-Ds
[16:16:59] <Kev> I had general XEPpish concerns. The XSD should be at the end, not upfront. The use cases shouldn't be duplicated.
[16:17:14] <Kev> Quibbles like SHOULDs for naming, with UUIDs ,and _data/_meta.
[16:17:26] <Kev> Wondering why it advertises iPhones particularly.
[16:17:29] <dwd> Kev, Also there was some redundant text, like the repeated use cases.
[16:17:32] <stpeter> Kev: right, and the timestamp stuff etc.
[16:17:39] <Fritzy> dwd: subtle
[16:17:50] <Kev> Extensibility should probably be through namespaced children, not through generic name/value pairs.
[16:17:55] <ralphm> for one thing I'd assume using URIs for defining types
[16:17:58] <dwd> Fritzy, In a brickesque manner.
[16:17:58] <Kev> Fritzy: From the department of redundancy department.
[16:17:59] <linuxwolf> it seems like something that could be split up
[16:18:25] <Kev> The examples aren't actually protocol examples, so there's no easy way of following what actually happens.
[16:18:36] <dwd> Personally I shuddered a bit at the bit where you specify the SI prefix.
[16:18:41] <Kev> I realised after reading that I hadn't noticed a namespace anywhere.
[16:18:47] <Fritzy> there is almost no protocol here
[16:18:52] <Fritzy> it is just a payload schema
[16:19:00] <Fritzy> with some naming convention advice
[16:19:01] <stpeter> ralphm's point is a good one -- do we need such a generic approach? (and have other standards groups defined such an approach already so that we can reuse their schema?)
[16:19:09] <ralphm> dwd: that too, I'd expect a numeric exponent
[16:19:31] <Kev> Fritzy: Yes, but that's not a good reason not to have a couple of example stanzas, just so you can see what's happening.
[16:19:35] <Kev> IMHO.
[16:19:44] <Fritzy> but yeah, I really dislike the idea of sending commands over pubsub -- especially the way they are.
[16:19:45] <stpeter> on the plus side, it does use "atto", "zepto", and "yocto" ;-)
[16:19:59] <linuxwolf> the few examples I think I see are partial protocol
[16:20:07] <Kev> stpeter: Yes, I was wondering if that was a plus side when I read it :)
[16:20:14] <linuxwolf> stpeter: yeah, I didn't see that as a plus (-:
[16:20:18] <Kev> linuxwolf: Yeah, but not whole stanzas, and not (I think) namespaced.
[16:20:26] <linuxwolf> definitely not namespaces
[16:20:36] <linuxwolf> s/namespaces/namespaced/
[16:20:46] <Kev> Which makes this invalid to implement, even if you read through all the pages.
[16:20:56] <ralphm> stpeter: tradionally, we've defined very application specific protocols, formats
[16:21:10] <stpeter> ralphm: right
[16:21:15] <ralphm> e.g. we used our own geo/address stuff instead of horribly long specs
[16:21:21] <Fritzy> yeah, I'm not opposed to this being a XEP
[16:21:23] <ralphm> and defined mappings, where needed
[16:21:24] <Kev> I don't know, this could be cleaned up, without significant underlying changes probably, so maybe I shouldn't block it.
[16:21:35] <dwd> One thing I did like is that none of the protocol actually defined anything new - this can be done, as I understand things, with a generic XEP-0060 service.
[16:21:37] <Kev> I don't object to the approach, I object to the document.
[16:21:46] <Fritzy> They should use ad-hoc commands for commands.
[16:21:48] <linuxwolf> heh
[16:21:51] <Kev> So I'm +/-0
[16:21:59] <Fritzy> and Matt earns another $.25
[16:22:07] <ralphm> dwd: we have multiple "payload format" specs, maybe this should be one
[16:22:13] <stpeter> BTW, I've been talking of late with a number of "smart grid" / "smart energy" folks and OASIS is defining a whole raft of payload formats, which we could send over XMPP instead of their current default (which is web services)
[16:22:13] <linuxwolf> Fritzy: tell hildjj he owes me $0.25
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[16:22:27] <Kev> stpeter: Excellent.
[16:22:31] <Fritzy> ralphm: agreed
[16:22:54] <Fritzy> stpeter: I've talked to some of those types too... but it's been about a year.
[16:22:55] <linuxwolf> sounds like we should link this XEP's authors with those folks
[16:22:58] <ralphm> I'm still not convinced it should be defined at the XSF, though
[16:23:05] <stpeter> (and in fact a number of people in the smart grid space are already using XMPP)
[16:23:06] <Kev> Ok, so, what does everyone think at this stage? I'm +-0
[16:23:14] <linuxwolf> -0
[16:23:20] <stpeter> hey, no +/- voting :P
[16:23:30] <Kev> -0 then :p
[16:23:34] <linuxwolf> that's the ticket!
[16:23:37] <Fritzy> sqrt(-1)
[16:23:49] <linuxwolf> Fritzy has to be irrational
[16:24:07] <Fritzy> I think this should be redrafted as an informational spec.
[16:24:12] <Fritzy> but perhaps...
[16:24:25] <Kev> Fritzy: Are you vetoing or not vetoing? (And ralphm the same)
[16:24:34] <Fritzy> thinking... give me a second
[16:24:39] <ralphm> -0
[16:24:54] <Fritzy> I don't want to discourage them from resubmitting, but I think they should resubmit.
[16:25:03] <Fritzy> I don't think this should go into experimental.
[16:25:09] <Fritzy> not in the standards track
[16:25:10] <Kev> So that's a veto, then?
[16:25:12] <linuxwolf> so that's -1?
[16:25:13] <Fritzy> yeah, -1
[16:25:19] <Kev> Ok, ta.
[16:25:25] <stpeter> units="celcius"?
[16:25:33] <ralphm> oh, -1 then
[16:25:34] <ralphm> :-D
[16:25:35] <Fritzy> units=votes
[16:25:44] <ralphm> obviously that should be Kelvin
[16:25:52] <Kev> ralphm: I'm to assume that's flippant, yes?
[16:25:59] <ralphm> Kev: yeah
[16:26:18] <Kev> Fritzy: You'll need to write up an explanation to standards@, with why it's vetod, and what the path forward is then :)
[16:26:20] <Kev> !agendaup
[16:26:20] <Kanchil+> Kev: 6) XEP-0237: Roster Versioning
Accept version 1.2?
http://xmpp.org/extensions/diff/api/xep/0237/diff/1.1/vs/1.2rc1
http://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0237-1.2.html
[16:26:25] <Kev> +1
[16:26:29] <linuxwolf> +1
[16:26:30] <Fritzy> Kev, will do
[16:26:52] <MattJ> +1 :)
[16:26:58] <linuxwolf> whoa
[16:26:58] <Kev> He's there!
[16:26:59] <Kev> Kinda.
[16:27:02] <ralphm> +1
[16:27:03] <MattJ> Yeah, kinda
[16:27:08] <Fritzy> +1
[16:27:23] <MattJ> In a busy office (that isn't mine), but I managed to get them to set me up with a network connection
[16:28:05] <Kev> !agendaup
[16:28:05] <Kanchil+> Kev: 7) Moving carbons forward.
[16:28:05] <Fritzy> I'm in a castle.
[16:28:11] <linuxwolf> heh
[16:28:13] <linuxwolf> ok, so
[16:28:33] <linuxwolf> I'm hearing of lots of interest, and we've had a modicum of list discuss
[16:28:45] <Kev> linuxwolf: I have changes I want to make to this, that depend upon MattJ's as-yet-unsubmitted stuff.
[16:28:52] <linuxwolf> Kev: right
[16:29:04] <Kev> So I propose that Matt submits http://doomsong.co.uk/extensions/render/forwarding.html
[16:29:05] <linuxwolf> I'm agreed, and ready to make the edits…once I have something to reference
[16:29:05] *Fritzy looks up Modicum.
[16:29:08] <Kev> I update Carbons.
[16:29:14] <Kev> Or you do :)
[16:29:20] <Kev> Then we can advance it :)
[16:29:24] <MattJ> Sure
[16:29:28] <linuxwolf> I'm happy to update it
[16:29:37] <linuxwolf> it == message carbons
[16:29:51] <ralphm> so what is that the council needs to do now?
[16:30:05] <Kev> ralphm: Council, nothing. Council members (Matt/Matt) need to do stuff :)
[16:30:08] <linuxwolf> cajole Matthew into submitting forwarding (-:
[16:30:09] <Kev> With MattJ first.
[16:30:27] <MattJ> Yeah ok... perhaps I can set aside some time on Saturday
[16:30:37] <MattJ> I've been having lots of discussions that I need to incorporate
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[16:30:43] <linuxwolf> /nod
[16:30:47] <Kev> MattJ: Oh, changes to this?
[16:31:03] <linuxwolf> I have some security concerns with as currently defined, but will wait until you have the update
[16:31:06] *MattJ reads Kev's changes to recall
[16:31:10] <linuxwolf> s/with as/with it as/
[16:31:12] <stpeter> in time for next week's meeting I hope to review XEP-0065 one more time and perhaps request a vote on the revisions
[16:31:22] <Kev> stpeter: Ok, great.
[16:31:34] <stpeter> (trying to finish off the file transfer stuff)
[16:31:34] <linuxwolf> ooo…I'm just about down with a first draft BCP on resource locking
[16:31:36] <linuxwolf> (finally)
[16:31:41] <Kev> Great.
[16:31:48] <MattJ> 65? I need to update my implementation for that
[16:31:50] <Kev> So, we're done with this, I think.
[16:31:52] <Kev> !agendaup
[16:31:53] <Kanchil+> Kev: 8) Date of next meeting
[16:32:01] <Kev> Next Wednesday 1600 GMT?
[16:32:06] <MattJ> Kev, the lacking thing in MAM/forwarding is specifying an archive-unique id for the message
[16:32:07] <Fritzy> I'm good with that. +1
[16:32:15] <MattJ> +1 for next week
[16:32:15] <linuxwolf> sure
[16:32:24] <Kev> MattJ: I thought that'd go in MAM, but it can go in forwarding I guess. That makes sense.
[16:32:39] <stpeter> MattJ: please have a look at http://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0065-1.8.html and http://xmpp.org/extensions/diff/api/xep/0065/diff/1.7/vs/1.8rc3 :)
[16:32:49] <MattJ> stpeter, thanks
[16:33:01] <MattJ> I also wanted to implement the Jingle IBB stuff at the same time
[16:33:11] <MattJ> Currently Verse only does Jingle+proxy65
[16:33:14] <Kev> Ok.
[16:33:16] <Kev> !agendaup
[16:33:16] <Kanchil+> Kev: 9) Any other business
[16:33:18] <Kev> Anything else?
[16:33:21] <MattJ> Nay
[16:33:28] <Fritzy> 0
[16:33:30] <linuxwolf> world peace?
[16:33:37] <Kev> linuxwolf: Thanks for volunteering.
[16:33:40] <Fritzy> whirled peas
[16:33:50] <linuxwolf> I'd just nuke'em all
[16:33:51] <ralphm> Fritzy: peashake?
[16:33:59] <stpeter> calendar updated
[16:33:59] <Kev> Ok, then I guess we're done.
[16:34:00] <linuxwolf> humus?
[16:34:02] <Kev> stpeter: Thanks.
[16:34:03] <MattJ> Thanks stpeter
[16:34:06] <Kev> I'll do minutes tomorrowish.
[16:34:10] <Kev> I think we're done then
[16:34:10] <Fritzy> rad
[16:34:13] <Kev> Thanks all
[16:34:14] <Fritzy> thanks
[16:34:16] *Kev bangs the gavel
[16:34:16] *linuxwolf waits fwding
[16:34:19] *stpeter has had no time to work on an April 1 spec, maybe next year...
[16:34:21] <Kev> !agendaup -10
[16:34:21] <Kanchil+> Kev: -1) Fini.
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[16:34:47] <MattJ> Kev, FTR I'm happy with the decision on sensor-over-XMPP, but I'll look at the Jingle stuff later
[16:34:48] <linuxwolf> adios all
[16:35:01] <Kev> MattJ: Ok, thanks.
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[16:35:35] *stpeter likes Kev's 30-minute meeting philosophy
[16:35:51] <MattJ> :)
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[16:39:47] <stpeter> oh yay, another round of AUTH48 review just arrived in my inbox
[16:40:17] <stpeter> http://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc6121-diff.html in case you're curious :)
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[16:48:21] <dwd> How long has your 48 hours been so far?
[16:52:01] <stpeter> about 47 so far
[16:52:03] <stpeter> er
[16:52:03] <stpeter> no
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[16:52:22] <stpeter> 23
[16:52:31] <stpeter> I try to be quick
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