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XMPP Council Room | https://xmpp.org/about/xmpp-standards-foundation#council | Room logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/council/ | https://trello.com/b/ww7zWMlI/xmpp-council-agenda

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[15:47:09] <stpeter> T-15 minutes?
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[15:47:17] <MattJ> Aye
[15:47:19] <Kev> Yes please.
[15:47:26] <stpeter> posted to identi.ca
[15:47:34] <stpeter> I just processed the forwarding proposal, too
[15:47:38] <Kev> !agendaappend http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/forwarding.html
Accept as XEP?
[15:47:38] <Kanchil+> Kev: Done.
[15:47:43] <Kev> stpeter: So I saw :)
[15:47:44] <MattJ> Thanks :)
[15:47:52] <Kev> Indeed, murky.
[15:48:02] <stpeter> also, I received a bug report on the XEP-0198 schema so I processed that just now
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[15:48:05] <linuxwolf> cutting the submission awfully close (-:
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[15:48:10] <stpeter> heh
[15:48:17] <stpeter> could be considered next week or week after
[15:48:24] <MattJ> It's a small XEP!
[15:48:29] <MattJ> But really, I don't mind :)
[15:48:37] <linuxwolf> "I don't know if I can consider it at this late stage…"
[15:48:40] <Kev> It is a small XEP, and Peter announced that Council would vote today, so I have to put it on the agenda :)
[15:48:43] <linuxwolf> j/k… (-:
[15:49:08] <stpeter> I haven't looked at how the new http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/forwarding.html differs from the old http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/forwarding-delivery.html and http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/forwarding-request.html
[15:49:31] <stpeter> brb
[15:50:31] <Kev> stpeter: It's just an encapsulation format (unlike forwarding-request) to be used in other XEPs (like the upcoming Message Archive Management), and it's a straightforward complete encapsulation, unlike forwarding-deliver.
[15:51:15] <linuxwolf> mmmm….competing specs!
[15:52:09] <linuxwolf> Kev: and I have yet another BCP I'd like to propose
[15:52:12] <Kev> I have people working on the 'back yard' at the moment, so I'm sorry if I have to vanish at an inopportune moment for a couple of minutes.
[15:52:18] <Kev> linuxwolf: Good. You have 9 minutes.
[15:52:43] <MattJ> Hey, that's not fair
[15:52:45] <linuxwolf> (optional) version info via caps URL
[15:53:09] <linuxwolf> MattJ: do you see me presenting an actual spec? (-:
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[15:53:55] <MattJ> linuxwolf, thankfully no, I want to hold the record for shortest submission->vote->acceptance for at least a short time :)
[15:54:30] <linuxwolf> in that case, I might just have to defer acceptance… (-:<
[15:54:53] <MattJ> You wouldn't :(
[15:54:58] *linuxwolf is feeling snarky
[15:55:15] <Kev> I hope snarky is over-age, then.
[15:55:33] <linuxwolf> MattJ: use of reverse smileys may dissuade me from delay
[15:55:48] <MattJ>
[15:56:09] <Kev> (-:<
[15:56:12] <stpeter> aha, I see what you're after in http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/forwarding.html -- that's quite straightforward
[15:56:52] <Florob> 😸
[15:56:53] <stpeter> the old specs were about stanza forwarding a la .forward
[15:57:07] <Kev> Right.
[15:57:23] <Kev> So e.g. carbons should use this format.
[15:57:34] <Kev> As ideal, should the ad-hoc for forwarding unread messages.
[15:57:40] <Kev> As should 136bis
[15:57:57] <stpeter> +1 to 136bis
[15:57:58] <linuxwolf> well, carbons could use the older forwarding specs, too
[15:58:21] <MattJ> 136bis is on the way... I know because one of the few remaining todo items is "choose a title" :)
[15:58:28] <stpeter> I was mentioning just yesterday how we need to de-ian-ize certain specs like 136
[15:58:38] <linuxwolf> but I prefer the form from Messers WIld and Smith
[15:58:39] <stpeter> (mentioning to linuxwolf that is)
[15:58:42] <Kev> Matt's approach is to deny 136 ever existing. :)
[15:58:44] <linuxwolf> lol
[15:58:50] <Kev> Which suits me fine.
[15:59:08] <MattJ> It's not like it's seen wide adoption (and it's not hard to see why)
[15:59:28] <MattJ> I'm mostly excited about the new protocol simply because finally people might implement archiving
[15:59:39] <linuxwolf> maybe
[15:59:48] <linuxwolf> (-:
[15:59:52] <stpeter> I just invited Fritzy
[15:59:52] <MattJ> I'd love it to become a more mainstream feature - it's a really common request from users
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[16:00:02] <stpeter> :)
[16:00:04] <stpeter> hi Nathan!
[16:00:06] <linuxwolf> it definitely is
[16:00:07] <Kev> MattJ: Well, I want it in Swift, at least. Especially when used with the rest of the multi-resource stuff.
[16:00:08] <MattJ> That, and "I want my conversations to appear in all my clients"
[16:00:11] <stpeter> no sign of Mr. Meijer
[16:00:29] <fritzy> Howdy
[16:00:30] <Kev> I have to AFK for a moment, I'll be back within 2mins or so.
[16:00:36] <stpeter> MattJ: forwarding is a really common request, or history?
[16:00:43] <linuxwolf> history
[16:00:58] <linuxwolf> (logging, auditing, caching, ....)
[16:01:00] <MattJ> stpeter, history
[16:01:01] <stpeter> nod
[16:01:05] <stpeter> just checking
[16:02:25] <MattJ> Forwarding would be a nice addition to clients in itself, but I suspect users are just going to continue with their copying and their pasting :)
[16:02:33] <Kev> Right.
[16:02:40] <Kev> Let's start :)
[16:02:44] <Kev> !agendaup
[16:02:44] <Kanchil+> Kev: -9) Fini.
[16:02:49] <Kev> !agendaup 10
[16:02:49] <Kanchil+> Kev: 1) Roll call
[16:03:06] <linuxwolf> here
[16:03:11] <MattJ> Here
[16:03:14] <fritzy> howdy
[16:03:17] <fritzy> I mean here
[16:03:34] <Kev> !agendaup
[16:03:34] <Kanchil+> Kev: 2) Agenda bashing
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[16:03:56] <linuxwolf> request to talk about caps
[16:04:04] <linuxwolf> )(see above)
[16:04:14] <Kev> Is that a real item or AOB? :)
[16:04:21] <linuxwolf> it can be an AOB
[16:04:24] <Kev> Ok.
[16:04:26] <Kev> Anyone else?
[16:04:39] <fritzy> nossir
[16:04:40] <stpeter> it's hard to bash an agenda that we can't see :)
[16:04:41] <MattJ> Nope
[16:04:47] <MattJ> Gah, brb 60 sec
[16:04:52] <fritzy> we're blind?
[16:04:55] <Kev> stpeter: Well, I sent it out earlier in the week.
[16:05:01] <Kev> Plus the item you added today :)
[16:05:03] <Kev> But sure
[16:05:04] <Kev> !agenda
[16:05:05] <Kanchil+> Kev: 1) Roll call
2) Agenda bashing
3) XEP-0065: Accept version 1.8?
4) http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/resource-locking.html
Accept as XEP?
5) http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/forwarding.html
Accept as XEP?
6) Date of next meeting
7) Any other business
Fini
[16:05:05] <linuxwolf> one could !agenda
[16:05:08] <linuxwolf> heh
[16:05:15] <stpeter> many thanks
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[16:05:24] <stpeter> seems fine to me
[16:05:35] <Kev> !agendaup
[16:05:35] <Kanchil+> Kev: 3) XEP-0065: Accept version 1.8?
[16:05:44] <Kev> I haven't reviewed the diff. I'll do so and on-list it up.
[16:05:51] <fritzy> me neither
[16:05:54] <Kev> I'll also wait for MattJ for a moment before moving on.
[16:05:59] <linuxwolf> and neither have I
[16:06:38] <stpeter> the diff is hard to read, I find
[16:07:14] <Kev> Does anyone object to waiting for a moment for Matt to catch up?
[16:07:40] <stpeter> fine by me
[16:07:42] <linuxwolf> (defeaning silience)
[16:07:49] <linuxwolf> /sigh
[16:08:00] *waqas chooses not to object
[16:08:01] <fritzy> I'm easy
[16:08:02] <linuxwolf> I've got too many docs to write today to be typoing
[16:08:49] <MattJ> Sorry, back
[16:08:56] <Kev> !agendaup 0
[16:08:56] <Kanchil+> Kev: 3) XEP-0065: Accept version 1.8?
[16:09:00] <Kev> MattJ: ^
[16:09:26] <MattJ> I have it open, I haven't finished reviewing it, so I'll post on-list too
[16:09:33] <Kev> !agendaup
[16:09:33] <Kanchil+> Kev: 4) http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/resource-locking.html
Accept as XEP?
[16:09:38] <Kev> I don't object.
[16:09:50] <Kev> I'm not entirely convinced by each of the details, but I don't object :)
[16:10:05] <fritzy> +1
[16:10:14] <linuxwolf> +1, obviously (-:
[16:10:23] <MattJ> I don't object either, but I have some small feedback I'll post to standards@ when it's published
[16:10:27] <Kev> Specifically, I think it should always lock when receiving a new message, rather than maybe locking and maybe unlocking.
[16:10:29] <stpeter> BTW the most up-to-date diff for 65 is http://xmpp.org/extensions/diff/api/xep/0065/diff/1.7/vs/1.8rc4
[16:10:44] <Kev> I'm also not sure that <gone/> justifies an unlock, but I'm less worried about that.
[16:10:56] <stpeter> (but it's close to unreadable)
[16:11:19] <linuxwolf> Kev: to be fair, this is based on 10+ experience (-:
[16:12:24] <Kev> I'm happy to not really worry about this, as I think the later multi-client XEP solves all problems ;)
[16:12:25] <linuxwolf> (well, not specifically with <gone/> itself, but the entire concept)
[16:12:35] <linuxwolf> we shall see (-:
[16:12:38] <Kev> This is *almost* what we're doing in Swift.
[16:12:50] <Kev> Apart from not bothering with gone yet, and rebinding instead of unbinding on a new message.
[16:12:53] <Kev> Anyway.
[16:12:58] <Kev> !agendaup
[16:12:58] <Kanchil+> Kev: 5) http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/forwarding.html
Accept as XEP?
[16:13:02] <Kev> +1 :)
[16:13:07] <linuxwolf> hmmm
[16:13:09] <Kev> The background for this:
[16:13:28] <Kev> Matt's got a new archiving spec, there's carbons, there's an ad-hoc for forwarding messages.
[16:13:39] <Kev> It'd be good to have a common format for the forwarded messages in each of these cases.
[16:13:44] <Kev> Thus this spec
[16:13:57] <linuxwolf> +1 actually
[16:14:13] <fritzy> +1
[16:14:18] <linuxwolf> I think I still have some security concerns, but I haven't exactly had a lot of time to read it (-:
[16:14:31] <Kev> linuxwolf: It's a format rather than a protocol.
[16:14:42] <stpeter> linuxwolf: sure, the interaction with signing and encryption might be "interesting"
[16:14:45] <Kev> So I think the security concerns belong to the protocol using the format, but I could be persuaded otherwise.
[16:15:11] <Kev> MattJ: Your vote? :)
[16:15:11] <linuxwolf> Kev: technically, it's a protocol extension format
[16:15:15] <linuxwolf> (-:
[16:15:20] <fritzy> does this technically change the jabber:client ns?
[16:15:27] <Kev> fritzy: Of course not.
[16:15:28] <fritzy> allowing another <message /> child?
[16:15:28] <MattJ> fritzy, it does not, why?
[16:15:41] <Kev> jabber:client says nothing about the number of message children.
[16:15:48] <MattJ> plus it's a child of a child
[16:15:49] <fritzy> right, that's not what I meant
[16:15:57] <MattJ> of another namespace
[16:16:03] <MattJ> so another schema (forwarding) applies
[16:16:07] <stpeter> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3922 already had <presence/> within <presence/> (but a different namespace)
[16:16:07] <MattJ> AIUI
[16:16:22] <MattJ> Kev, +1 surprise, surprise! :)
[16:16:24] <fritzy> Oh, you're right MattJ.
[16:16:26] <Kev> Excellent.
[16:16:29] <Kev> !agendaup
[16:16:29] <Kanchil+> Kev: 6) Date of next meeting
[16:16:39] <Kev> Ok, so, daylight savings change.
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[16:16:43] <MattJ> Next week suits me
[16:16:48] <linuxwolf> heh
[16:16:51] <Kev> So I propose next Wednesday at 1500GMT.
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[16:16:56] <fritzy> Wed 1600 Kevin Time. If he's in an unusual timezone for him, so help us all.
[16:17:14] *linuxwolf notes that some of us already went through a TZ change
[16:17:30] *stpeter notes that he'll go through the time change again in Prague on Sunday morning
[16:17:37] <Kev> linuxwolf: Indeed. That's why I noted just before the US started changing that we weren't shifting Council yet :)
[16:17:39] <MattJ> 1500GMT? Why the change?
[16:17:50] <Kev> MattJ: So it remains 4PM UK time.
[16:17:53] <MattJ> I never change my clocks for DST :)
[16:17:58] <stpeter> heehee
[16:18:04] <stpeter> good for you
[16:18:04] <linuxwolf> MattJ: that explains a lot (-:
[16:18:07] <MattJ> Heh
[16:18:22] <stpeter> I just use the sundial in my back yard
[16:18:43] <MattJ> Ok, I'm happy with 1500GMT next week
[16:18:43] <Kev> Is everyone happy with this?
[16:18:46] <stpeter> so 15:00 GMT?
[16:18:49] <fritzy> sure
[16:18:50] <MattJ> or to use the sundial in stpeter's back yard
[16:18:54] <stpeter> heh
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[16:19:18] <linuxwolf> fine either way
[16:19:27] <Kev> stpeter: Thanks.
[16:19:32] <Kev> !agendaup
[16:19:32] <Kanchil+> Kev: 7) Any other business
[16:19:38] <linuxwolf> ok
[16:19:38] <Kev> linuxwolf !
[16:19:47] <stpeter> it's doubtful that I'll attend next week's meeting
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[16:20:18] <fritzy> ok
[16:20:20] <linuxwolf> so, I'd like to propose a caps URL format recommendation, if clients are interested in reporting version/platform info
[16:20:21] <stpeter> let's see, I'll be in the CORE WG session at that time
[16:20:28] <Kev> stpeter: Enjoy Prague :)
[16:20:35] <stpeter> I shall, thanks :)
[16:20:38] <stpeter> anyway
[16:20:41] <stpeter> linuxwolf?
[16:20:44] *linuxwolf is slightly jealous
[16:20:47] <linuxwolf> oh yes, so
[16:20:48] <stpeter> we need CSN in these meetings :)
[16:20:56] <Kev> stpeter: I said that last week.
[16:21:06] <linuxwolf> RT: linuxwolf: so, I'd like to propose a caps URL format recommendation, if clients are interested in reporting version/platform info
[16:21:21] <Kev> linuxwolf: Right, I'm waiting for your next line after that :)
[16:21:22] <MattJ> linuxwolf, I don't understand, please continue
[16:21:30] <stpeter> (calendar updated)
[16:21:35] <linuxwolf> hold on…shooing away IRL trolls
[16:21:40] <stpeter> heehee
[16:21:51] *stpeter isn't in the office today, so it's not my fault
[16:22:04] <MattJ> Grab a piece of chalk and draw a circle around your desk
[16:22:33] <linuxwolf> ok, so the idea is to inconspicuously indicate the version/platform via "query parameters" to the caps node URL, assuming a client sends a URL (per recommendations)
[16:23:11] *stpeter is favor of just about anything that kills off iq:version
[16:23:22] <fritzy> haha
[16:23:22] <linuxwolf> e.g. http://outer-planes.net/matts-magical-client?v=2011.03.12314&p=linux
[16:23:31] *MattJ loves iq:version, long live iq:version!
[16:23:33] <linuxwolf> and doesn't impact the actual caps hash
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[16:23:40] <stpeter> :)
[16:23:50] <linuxwolf> yeah, I'd like to see iq:version DIAF
[16:24:09] <MattJ> linuxwolf, ok, why this?
[16:24:12] <waqas> I would like to fix caps hashes :)
[16:24:50] <linuxwolf> MattJ: because large organizations like to know what clients their users are logging in with, without laying down the lockout hammer
[16:24:55] <stpeter> yes, we do need to fix the security hole that waqas found
[16:25:01] <linuxwolf> definitely
[16:25:54] <Kev> So, I have no particular opinion on this until I've seen some examples.
[16:26:06] <linuxwolf> RT: linuxwolf: e.g. http://outer-planes.net/matts-magical-client?v=2011.03.12314&p=linux
[16:26:11] <Kev> Yeees.
[16:26:18] <Kev> I meant slightly more of an exposition than that :)
[16:26:30] <stpeter> heh
[16:26:46] *stpeter looks forward to a mini-spec on the topic or a patch to 115
[16:26:56] <linuxwolf> or, say, http://ww.cisco.com/go/jabber?v=8.0.3&p=mac
[16:27:13] <MattJ> linuxwolf, why not just file a bug with the relevant clients?
[16:27:27] <MattJ> Say "it would be really nice if you included the version and platform in your caps url"
[16:27:38] <linuxwolf> well, it's hard to file a bug if there's not defined (recommended) format
[16:27:49] <Kev> I don't think I have any particular objections to this, I'd have to sit down with 115 and the new spec and be sure there's no unfortunate interactions.
[16:27:54] <linuxwolf> and I likely would…it would be nice for us to agree to a general format
[16:27:57] <Kev> So...bring on the spec :)
[16:28:09] <linuxwolf> well…so with the 115 problems
[16:28:12] <MattJ> I don't see why we need to define such a format, it's not for interop and I don't think anyone is going to enforce it
[16:28:24] <linuxwolf> do we want a separate spec, or an implementation detail within 115 (as we fix 115)
[16:28:25] <Kev> MattJ: You can say the same about iq:version :)
[16:28:35] <linuxwolf> MattJ: It actually is for interop
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[16:28:40] <MattJ> Kev, I bet someone, somewhere, has used iq:version for interop
[16:28:50] <Kev> linuxwolf: I *think* a sidenote in 115, but I don't feel strongly.
[16:28:52] <linuxwolf> iq:version needs to DIAG (-:
[16:29:00] <linuxwolf> I can go either way
[16:29:06] <linuxwolf> fixing 115 is not a small task
[16:29:10] <Kev> I don't think I know DIAG. What's 'G'?
[16:29:14] <linuxwolf> gah
[16:29:18] <Kev> Ah.
[16:29:18] <linuxwolf> DIAF
[16:29:24] <linuxwolf> Gulag?
[16:29:24] <Kev> No, I like DIA Gah
[16:29:35] <linuxwolf> lol...literally
[16:29:35] <linuxwolf> ok
[16:29:42] <Kev> Anyway, I think we're vaguely done with this are we?
[16:29:43] <fritzy> there you go
[16:29:50] <linuxwolf> so, I (or some minion) can writeup a tiny XEP about it
[16:30:16] <Kev> linuxwolf: Sure.
[16:30:25] <linuxwolf> I don't know if I want to tackle fixing hashes at the same time we add this note
[16:30:25] <MattJ> Sounds like a plan
[16:30:41] <stpeter> ah, to have minions
[16:30:49] <fritzy> that'd be nice
[16:31:01] <Kev> So
[16:31:01] <linuxwolf> technically, my minions are loaned to me
[16:31:03] <Kev> !agendaup 0
[16:31:03] <Kanchil+> Kev: 7) Any other business
[16:31:06] <linuxwolf> /fini
[16:31:22] <fritzy> !done
[16:31:33] <fritzy> or wait, is that not-done?
[16:31:41] <Kev> !agendaup
[16:31:41] <Kanchil+> Kev: 8) Fini.
[16:31:44] <Kev> Thanks all :)
[16:31:47] *Kev bangs the gavel
[16:31:50] <linuxwolf> adios
[16:31:56] <Kev> !agendaup -8
[16:31:56] <Kanchil+> Kev: 0) Fini.
[16:31:58] <MattJ> Wow, on the dot
[16:32:02] <Kev> !agendaclear
[16:32:02] <Kanchil+> Kev: Done.
[16:32:12] *linuxwolf goes off to read a dictionary, hopefully soaking in better spelling mojo
[16:33:03] *stpeter returns to his review of OAuth spe s
[16:33:06] <stpeter> specs even
[16:33:23] *linuxwolf feels less horrible now…thanks stpeter (-:
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[16:33:46] <stpeter> :P
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[16:34:33] <fritzy> cio
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[16:34:48] <stpeter> who is the cio?
[16:35:42] <bear> that's an italian typo - he meant ciao
[16:36:37] <stpeter> I figured :)
[16:37:16] <stpeter> although my Czech friends spell it "čau" :)
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