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XMPP Council Room | https://xmpp.org/about/xmpp-standards-foundation#council | Room logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/council/ | https://trello.com/b/ww7zWMlI/xmpp-council-agenda

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[16:00:11] <Kev> Oh good, we're going to have one of *those* meetings.
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[16:00:47] <stpeter> heh
[16:01:00] <Kev> Right, it's time.
[16:01:05] <Kev> 1) Roll call.
[16:01:17] <Kev> I don't see Tobias online.
[16:01:24] <Kev> But he sent apologies, so that's fine.
[16:01:40] <Kev> I also don't see a Matt Miller, who also sent apologies.
[16:01:48] <MattJ> Ahoy
[16:01:52] <Kev> I do see a me.
[16:02:06] <Kev> ralphm?
[16:03:45] <Kev> He was here five minutes ago!
[16:03:59] <stpeter> heh
[16:04:36] <MattJ> Give him until :05
[16:04:44] <MattJ> We don't have much on the agenda
[16:04:44] <Kev> Right.
[16:04:52] <ralphm> I already waved
[16:05:22] <Kev> 2) Message Forwarding
[16:05:30] <Kev> Last call's expired, I think, so we should vote on Draftness.
[16:06:22] <MattJ> Hmm, I read the feedback but it is out of my infamous short-term memory
[16:06:24] <Kev> The only feedback we had in the LC thread was Zash.
[16:06:24] <Zash> Noone but me replied?
[16:06:25] *MattJ pulls it up
[16:06:34] <MattJ> Didn't MM?
[16:06:41] <Kev> Not in the LC.
[16:06:51] <Kev> There were previous threads (linked by Zash).
[16:06:52] <MattJ> Hmm, maybe he commented here when we voted on the LC
[16:07:39] <Zash> http://logs.xmpp.org/council/120215/#16:20:39
[16:08:16] <MattJ> Ok, so we should poke him for his comments
[16:08:36] <Kev> And maybe we should provide some sort of guidance for uses of 197.
[16:08:39] <Kev> *297
[16:09:45] <Kev> MattJ: Shall I leave that to you? :)
[16:10:01] <MattJ> Ok :)
[16:10:05] <Kev> Excellent.
[16:10:17] <Kev> Presumably we then LC it again.
[16:10:27] <Kev> ralphm: You happy with this plan?
[16:11:07] <ralphm> that sounds reasonable
[16:11:33] <Kev> 3) http://xmpp.org/extensions/diff/api/xep/0172/diff/1.0/vs/1.1rc1
[16:11:33] <ralphm> Although I'm not sure if another LC is needed
[16:11:34] <Kev> I'm +1
[16:11:53] <Kev> ralphm: I don't think it hurts, and we want to solicit opinion.
[16:12:05] <MattJ> +1
[16:12:36] <ralphm> +1
[16:13:17] <Kev> 4) Date of next meeting.
4pm next Wednesday, UK time?
[16:13:29] <MattJ> I see what you did there :)
[16:13:32] <MattJ> wfm
[16:13:53] <stpeter> UK time?
[16:14:01] <stpeter> is that the same as this time UTC?
[16:14:10] <Kev> stpeter: you claimed it was difficult because of DST, so I was being explicit.
[16:14:13] <Kev> Yes, it is for next week.
[16:14:27] <stpeter> Kev: wasn't difficult for me at all, but I'm more flexible than Matt is
[16:14:52] <ralphm> Just always use UTC.
[16:15:15] <stpeter> yep
[16:15:25] <Kev> 1600 GMT it is :)
[16:15:34] <ralphm> I think the difficulty was in figuring out local time, not the actual time of day.
[16:15:45] <Kev> Actually.
[16:15:52] <Kev> Is it this Sunday they changed? :)
[16:15:53] <ralphm> 1600 UTC for all others
[16:16:17] <Kev> No, the following.
[16:16:25] <Kev> So yes, 1600.
[16:16:29] <Kev> 5) AOB?
[16:16:53] <ralphm> US changed a few days ago, we change last weekend of March
[16:17:00] <stpeter> a new verson of XEP-0301 will find its way to me soon, according to the author
[16:17:14] <Kev> Righty.
[16:17:20] <MattJ> Just a note that I have located the MAM XML, have reviewed it and know the changes I want to make, and have it open in an editor to make them
[16:17:21] <Kev> We don't need to do anything with that, I think.
[16:17:21] <stpeter> I need to address XEP-0047 call for experience feedback
[16:18:20] <stpeter> probably there are other tasks I need to complete, too
[16:19:04] <Kev> So no AOB, then?
[16:19:09] <stpeter> not really
[16:19:12] <Kev> Excellent.
[16:19:15] <Kev> Thanks all.
[16:19:21] *Kev bangs the gavel.
[16:19:23] <stpeter> yay
[16:19:24] <MattJ> Thanks
[16:19:52] <stpeter> brb
[16:21:25] <MattJ> Is there a board meeting today?
[16:21:41] <Kev> Oh, right - I submitted the XSF's application to GSoC btw.
[16:22:02] <Kev> We could do with more ideas, still.
[16:24:33] *stpeter reloads the ideas page
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[16:29:18] <ralphm> stpeter: I think that byte-for-byte comparison of resourcepart is problematic.
[16:30:45] <ralphm> stpeter: e.g. in python, I get unicode objects from my parser
[16:31:37] <ralphm> i.e. the attribute values (where they usually appear) are already decoded from their UTF-8 representation
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[16:32:48] <dwd> MattJ, Yes, there's a board meeting just starting.
[16:34:22] <stpeter> ralphm: feel free to post to the list about that -- I tend to agree, but I'm not decided yet
[16:35:50] <dwd> ralphm, I agree that actual byte-for-byte is wrong, but I don't think we need go further than codepoint comparison or perhaps canonicalization.
[16:39:24] <ralphm> dwd: right
[16:39:39] <ralphm> so I sent that message to the list
[16:43:04] <stpeter> so I saw, thanks
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