Wednesday, March 21, 2012
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XMPP Council Room | https://xmpp.org/about/xmpp-standards-foundation#council | Room logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/council/ | https://trello.com/b/ww7zWMlI/xmpp-council-agenda

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[14:59:54] <linuxwolf> we are meeting today, yes?
[15:00:08] <Kev> Yes, in one hour.
[15:00:11] <MattJ> Hi + Bye, and not HyBi
[15:00:23] <Kev> Although we've nothing to discuss, I think.
[15:00:23] *linuxwolf grumbles some more about DST
[15:00:38] <Kev> Although I heard some rumours that MattJ was going to submit MAM today ...
[15:00:59] <linuxwolf> just in time to not be read (-:
[15:01:04] <MattJ> You never can tell with rumours
[15:01:14] <Kev> I'm listening to Rumours at the moment. Fantastic album.
[15:01:18] <MattJ> +1
[15:01:33] *Kev turns Songbird up.
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[15:05:51] <linuxwolf> now I want a peach
[15:06:04] <linuxwolf> but it's not the right season … /sigh
[15:06:42] <stpeter> Rumours? A bit too much of 70s over produced pop in my opinion, but perhaps I heard it all too many times on the radio back in my youth :P
[15:06:54] <MattJ> Probably
[15:08:15] <linuxwolf> hmm … how objectionable would it be for "message forwarding" to be "stanza forwarding" ?
[15:08:26] *linuxwolf wants to use it for e2e
[15:08:26] <MattJ> Not objectionable
[15:08:38] <Kev> I don't see why that's a problem.
[15:08:57] <Kev> It'll need careful handling to not break iq rules if you want to use it for iqs, but hey ho.
[15:09:01] <linuxwolf> sure
[15:09:14] <linuxwolf> but if you're, say, encryping an <iq/>, it would be nice to have a container
[15:09:59] <linuxwolf> the (non-normative) schema allows for it, but the (normative) text doesn't say you can
[15:10:15] <linuxwolf> doesn't say you can't, but the implications are all in the title d-:
[15:10:49] <Kev> My colour scheme and one of my plugins don't seem to be working for my vim on Windows :(
[15:11:00] <Kev> I've fallen in love with the ctrlp plugin, I don't want to do without it now.
[15:12:26] <MattJ> There's a lot more than the title to change
[15:12:35] <linuxwolf> yeah
[15:12:38] <MattJ> If you're convinced you want it, I'll work on it
[15:12:48] <linuxwolf> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-miller-xmpp-e2e-00
[15:12:50] <linuxwolf> I'm convinced
[15:13:01] <MattJ> I was about to ask for an example :)
[15:13:10] <linuxwolf> (-:
[15:13:38] <linuxwolf> hrm
[15:13:53] <linuxwolf> I never got around to "Example Securing an IQ"
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[15:14:55] <linuxwolf> let me know if you need help with text .. and I'll try to get to in two weeks (-"
[15:19:06] <MattJ> Fixed in my working copy
[15:19:16] <linuxwolf> s/message/stanza?
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[15:20:54] <MattJ> Yes, mostly
[15:22:30] <Tobias> Kev, you use Songbird for your music?
[15:23:36] <Kev> No.
[15:23:46] <Kev> Songbird is a track off Rumours, by Fleetwood Mac.
[15:23:53] <Tobias> ahhh :)
[15:24:00] <Tobias> then i've just misread it
[15:24:00] <stpeter> heh
[15:24:15] <Tobias> stpeter, any news on my mailing issue?
[15:24:31] <stpeter> I tried Songbird ages ago, even met with the team in SF to convince them to do some social music stuff using XMPP
[15:24:43] <stpeter> Tobias: can you please try to send a test message and I will see what happens?
[15:25:15] *Tobias is using Clementine for music since a couple weeks
[15:25:22] <Tobias> sure
[15:26:09] <Tobias> stpeter, done
[15:26:27] <Kev> I use iTunes, which does the job mostly, but lacks one thing that I really want (and which I get via Alfred) - random album.
[15:27:18] <Tobias> switched to Clementine for FLAC support but it has other nicies too...although it could improve in the podcast area
[15:27:45] <linuxwolf> music is overrated
[15:29:54] <stpeter> Tobias: I think I found the problem
[15:30:30] <stpeter> Tobias: please try again
[15:31:14] <Tobias> stpeter, done
[15:31:17] <stpeter> Tobias: you are subscribed as tmarkmann@gmail.com but you were sending as tmarkmann@googlemail.com -- I have added the latter address to the "always allow" list
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[15:32:05] <Tobias> this works
[15:32:07] <stpeter> "Another Test Message" received
[15:32:22] <Tobias> doesn't the @gmail.com doesn't land in some kind of moderation queue?
[15:32:23] <linuxwolf> also received here
[15:32:33] <Tobias> -doesn't :)
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[15:33:53] <stpeter> Tobias: if you would like to volunteer to be a list admin, we can enable moderation queues for non-subscribed entities :)
[15:34:03] <Tobias> no thanks :)
[15:34:11] <stpeter> ok then :)
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[15:39:05] <stpeter> Tobias: I've noted your +1 on XEP-0172, will update that now
[15:39:11] <Tobias> thx
[15:39:19] <stpeter> no, thank you!
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[15:44:26] *Tobias just hung up a couple of GSoC flyers at university
[15:46:22] <stpeter> nice
[15:49:31] <stpeter> heh, that <interim/> flag does the job, I just need to remember to remove it when a XEP version is approved ;-)
[15:49:44] <Tobias> :)
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[15:53:24] <linuxwolf> (-:
[15:54:14] <stpeter> http://xmpp.org/2012/03/another-summer-of-code/
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[15:56:36] <linuxwolf> T - 5
[15:56:42] <Kev> Yes!
[15:56:46] <Kev> stpeter: Thanks.
[15:56:50] *linuxwolf puts down the slides
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[16:01:30] <Kev> Righty.
[16:01:53] <Kev> Ralph poked, although the purpose is limited.
[16:01:55] <Kev> 1) Roll call
[16:01:56] <Kev> I'm here.
[16:02:01] <linuxwolf> presente
[16:02:21] <Tobias> here
[16:02:46] <Kev> MattJ: Yoohoo
[16:02:59] <stpeter> :)
[16:03:14] <linuxwolf> ETIMEOUT
[16:03:31] <Kev> Gragh, what did I set the PIN to on these silly smartcards?
[16:03:31] <stpeter> heh
[16:03:38] <MattJ> Present
[16:03:47] <Kev> Ah, that, obviously.
[16:03:58] <linuxwolf> moving on?
[16:04:01] <Kev> 2) Date of next meeting
[16:04:17] <Kev> 1500GMT next week?
[16:04:21] <linuxwolf> next week might be difficult next week
[16:04:23] <linuxwolf> gah
[16:04:25] <Kev> Right.
[16:04:29] <Kev> 1500GMT the week after?
[16:04:36] <linuxwolf> that should work
[16:04:41] <MattJ> wfm
[16:04:43] <Kev> I think everyone should be on DST by then.
[16:04:44] <Tobias> fine with me
[16:04:45] <stpeter> I have jury duty on Wednesday, April 4
[16:04:50] <stpeter> so I won't be here
[16:04:53] <Kev> Ok.
[16:04:57] <stpeter> but do proceed without me
[16:05:06] <stpeter> sending my regrets ahead of time :)
[16:05:13] <linuxwolf> Life after IESG™
[16:05:19] <stpeter> heh
[16:05:25] <stpeter> starting off with a bang, too
[16:05:45] <stpeter> not that I'll ever get chosen to serve on a jury ;-)
[16:06:00] <Kev> 3) Any other business.
[16:06:17] <linuxwolf> none from me
[16:06:20] <stpeter> not here
[16:06:24] <Tobias> neither here
[16:06:28] <Kev> JFYI, I'm working on updates to FMUC.
[16:06:28] *Zash mumbles something about a stick with "MAM" written on it
[16:06:33] <linuxwolf> now that I've made my fwd suggestions (-:
[16:06:44] <Kev> Ok, I think we're done then.
[16:06:47] <Kev> Thanks all!
[16:06:51] <Tobias> Kev, which one of them?
[16:06:51] <stpeter> :)
[16:06:53] *Kev bangs the five-minute gavel.
[16:07:00] <Kev> Tobias: Which one?
[16:07:03] <Kev> There's only one FMUC :)
[16:07:11] <Tobias> they all seem so alike
[16:07:26] <linuxwolf> one is FMUC, and the others are DMUC-*
[16:07:32] <Tobias> ahh
[16:07:43] <linuxwolf> otherwise, yeah, lots of similarities (-:
[16:08:15] *stpeter is looking forward to an updated FMUC spec at some point
[16:09:42] <Kev> I was reviewing Curtis's code the other day. It's possible to implement FMUC in surprisingly little code.
[16:09:45] <Kev> At least in M-Link.
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[16:13:50] <ralphm> hi bye
[16:14:07] <linuxwolf> not spdy enough
[16:14:10] <Kev> No, that's a different working group.
[16:15:06] <stpeter> heh
[16:15:42] <Zash> SCTP, nevar forget!
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[16:19:32] <linuxwolf> BEEP!
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