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XMPP Council Room | https://xmpp.org/about/xmpp-standards-foundation#council | Room logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/council/ | https://trello.com/b/ww7zWMlI/xmpp-council-agenda

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[14:59:30] <m&m> t - 05:00
[14:59:57] <Kev> Yep, ta.
[15:00:05] <Kev> Just finished some (internal) patch review ready.
[15:00:09] <m&m> that was mostly a self check (-:
[15:00:32] <Kev> This week is a killer. Got lots on at work, plus 301 is absolutely deadly.
[15:00:40] <m&m> dude
[15:00:50] <m&m> I still haven't finished my slides for next week
[15:00:57] <Kev> That's /next/ week :)
[15:01:08] <m&m> yes, but the chairs need them "now"
[15:01:10] <m&m> d-:
[15:03:37] <Kev> Oh well. Once you've got those done you can review 301 :)
[15:03:51] <m&m> I was planning to review that on the plane
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[15:04:13] <m&m> I started to Sunday, and decided I'd rather enjoy my weekend (-:
[15:04:30] <Kev> Hope you get the 0.6 version.
[15:04:34] <m&m> me, too
[15:04:54] <m&m> I don't leave until 15:00 Saturday, so there's time
[15:05:08] <m&m> ding ding ding
[15:05:39] <Kev> Righty.
[15:05:42] <Kev> 1) Roll call
[15:05:44] <Kev> I'm here!
[15:05:46] <Kev> Physically.
[15:05:57] <m&m> what, you go all TRON on us?
[15:06:00] <m&m> presente
[15:06:17] <Kev> MattJ, Tobias: *ping*
[15:06:28] <MattJ> Present
[15:06:34] <Tobias> pong
[15:06:38] <Tobias> present
[15:06:39] <Kev> Ralph has been pinged.
[15:07:12] <Kev> 2) XHTML-IM: Issue call for experience? (For move to Final)
[15:07:23] <m&m> +1
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[15:07:27] <Tobias> +1
[15:08:37] <Kev> I'm +1, although someone needs to present two implementations to us :)
[15:08:47] <m&m> heh
[15:08:51] <MattJ> +1
[15:08:55] <m&m> There's Exodus (-:
[15:09:03] <Tobias> psi does also xhtml-im
[15:09:07] <Tobias> IIRC
[15:09:11] <MattJ> Pidgin, Gajim, etc.
[15:09:12] <Zash> and Gajim
[15:09:16] <Kev> Tobias: I don't think that's true. I think it /renders/ it, but won't produce it.
[15:09:19] <MattJ> Pandion, iChat!
[15:09:26] <m&m> there's a bunch of clients
[15:09:32] <MattJ> Kev, it can produce
[15:09:43] <m&m> Adium also does it, at least every other version
[15:09:51] <Kev> And how many of these are actually doing -71, rather than just shoving junk in the namespace? :)
[15:10:03] <Kev> MattJ: Are you sure? I'd think I'd remember something like that.
[15:10:08] <Kev> Although possibly not.
[15:10:09] <Kev> Anyway.
[15:10:23] <Kev> 3) XEP-0308 (Correction) - Last Call? (For Draft)
[15:10:39] <MattJ> Gajim says pink
[15:10:39] <m&m> Given the discussion, I'd like to see 0.6 come out first
[15:10:54] <m&m> (re 308)
[15:11:15] <Kev> m&m: Are you sure you're on the right item?
[15:11:22] <m&m> /sigh
[15:11:24] <MattJ> Do we have two implementations?
[15:11:26] <m&m> no (-:
[15:11:35] <Kev> MattJ: Swift and Jitsi.
[15:11:39] <m&m> no objections to −308 LC
[15:11:41] <MattJ> Ah, forgot Jitsi
[15:11:55] <MattJ> Yeah, I'm fine with LC
[15:12:13] <Tobias> im fine with it too
[15:13:11] <Kev> 4) XEP-0301 (RTT) - LC (for Draft)?
Now, for this I suggested that given the possibly significant changes to come out of the discussion of my review, we ask Council to approve the LC in advance, ready for it to be issued on 0.6.
[15:13:25] <MattJ> I'm fine with that
[15:13:26] <m&m> I'm fine with that
[15:13:28] <m&m> heh
[15:13:31] <Kev> I don't know if people are happy with that, but it seems a sensible approach to me (Mark seems to be in a rush and all, and I expect we won't Council next week).
[15:13:36] <MattJ> heh
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[15:13:54] <Kev> Evening Ralph.
[15:14:00] <m&m> we need a jinx protocol extension
[15:14:13] <ralphm> hi
[15:14:35] <ralphm> no objection to 0308 LC
[15:14:49] <Tobias> on XEP-0301: +1 on LC for draft
[15:15:34] <Kev> (I do note that LCing 301 when it's in such a state of flux and seemingly so far off community consensus feels like a cheat - although expedient if we want these long-term specs using XMPP)
[15:15:42] <ralphm> Kev: I'm ok with a LC on 301, although I don't understand the urgency.
[15:15:57] <MattJ> Don't try :)
[15:16:14] <ralphm> I do know that the discussion is flooding the list
[15:16:25] <Kev> ralphm: As I understand it, there are long-life specs under consideration elsewhere (for emergency services and things) whereby they'd like to use XMPP-RTT, but can't have an Experimental XEP in there.
[15:16:41] <Kev> Which seems like a borderline acceptable reason to me, but I'm trying to support them as best I can.
[15:16:47] <m&m> /nod
[15:16:51] <ralphm> if it is just for the label, well, ok
[15:17:00] <m&m> layer 9 interjected into layer 7
[15:17:12] <Kev> Right.
[15:17:39] <Kev> So, that's everything I had on my agenda list thing.
[15:17:42] <Kev> 5) Date of next meeting.
[15:17:43] <Kev> Fortnight?
[15:17:50] <m&m> WFM
[15:17:55] <MattJ> wfm
[15:18:05] <Tobias> fine with that
[15:18:35] <Kev> ralphm:?
[15:19:09] <Kev> I'll take that as a yes :)
[15:19:12] <Kev> 6) Any other business?
[15:19:26] <MattJ> Not here
[15:19:34] <MattJ> Wait
[15:19:43] <m&m> just a note that IETF is next week
[15:19:47] <MattJ> 297?
[15:19:48] <ralphm> wfm
[15:19:52] <Kev> m&m: That's why I proposed skipping a week.
[15:20:07] <Kev> MattJ: I wanted to give that a check-over before LCing it, if that's OK>
[15:20:12] <MattJ> Sure, np
[15:20:18] <Kev> Unless that one's urgent.
[15:20:21] <m&m> meeting is at 15:20-07:00 on 07/31
[15:20:40] <m&m> XMPP WG meeting that is
[15:20:50] <MattJ> Kev, not at all, you just said on the list you were +1 to LC :)
[15:20:54] <Kev> Yeah, that time's not going to happen to me.
[15:20:55] <m&m> (-:
[15:21:01] <Kev> MattJ: I think I said I wasn't opposed, didn't I?
[15:21:04] <m&m> just letting everyone know (-:
[15:21:07] <Kev> Yeah, ta.
[15:21:12] <MattJ> Kev, ok, if they're different... :)
[15:21:21] <Kev> But anything that close to midnight can get in line somewhere after sleep.
[15:21:33] <Kev> MattJ: I'm not opposed to the thought, but I'd like to check it first :)
[15:21:38] <MattJ> :)
[15:21:45] <Kev> Anything else?
[15:21:55] <m&m> re 297, I'd like to see the new revision before non-objecting to its LC
[15:22:16] <m&m> since we're not dealing with layer 9 issues there (-:
[15:22:19] <m&m> nothing else from me
[15:22:21] <MattJ> m&m, you too? You proposed the LC...
[15:22:23] *ralphm nodss
[15:22:25] <ralphm> -s
[15:22:36] <m&m> well, If Kev says there's a new revision coming, then I want to hold off
[15:22:48] <MattJ> No, just that he's going to review the current one
[15:22:52] <Kev> I didn't know there was a new revision coming.
[15:22:56] <m&m> heh
[15:23:06] <m&m> my reading comprehension is down today
[15:23:08] <m&m> /sigh
[15:23:25] <Kev> Cool, I think we're done.
[15:23:29] <Kev> Thanks all, minutes to follow.
[15:23:31] <m&m> well, I'm pre-emptively non-objecting to LCing the current −297
[15:23:33] <MattJ> Thanks
[15:23:53] <MattJ> m&m, I think this pre-non-objecting could be going somewhere :)
[15:24:11] <Kev> MattJ: We've done it in the past.
[15:24:16] <m&m> its like antidisestablishmentarianism
[15:24:17] <Kev> Many times.
[15:24:26] <Kev> m&m: Yes, only completely different :)
[15:24:41] <m&m> (-:
[15:25:03] *Kev bangs the gavel.
[15:25:21] *m&m goes off to figure out how to fake intelligence for the rest of today
[15:25:52] <MattJ> If I can manage, I'm sure you can't go far wrong
[15:26:15] <m&m> we'll see how it goes
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