Wednesday, August 15, 2012
council@muc.xmpp.org
August
Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri Sat Sun
    1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
26
27
28
29
30
31
   
             
XMPP Council Room | https://xmpp.org/about/xmpp-standards-foundation#council | Room logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/council/ | https://trello.com/b/ww7zWMlI/xmpp-council-agenda

[00:20:10] *** Tobias shows as "away" and his status message is "yay...unsynchronized log output"
[00:57:36] *** Tobias shows as "away" and his status message is "yay...unsynchronized log output"
[00:57:37] *** Tobias shows as "away" and his status message is "yay...unsynchronized log output"
[00:58:52] *** Tobias has left the room
[01:00:19] *** m&m has joined the room
[01:03:59] *** m&m shows as "dnd" and his status message is "in a meeting!"
[01:20:07] *** Neustradamus has left the room
[02:25:58] *** m&m has left the room
[05:40:15] *** Tobias shows as "online" and his status message is "yay...unsynchronized log output"
[06:05:36] *** Tobias shows as "away" and his status message is "yay...unsynchronized log output"
[06:06:25] *** Tobias shows as "online" and his status message is "yay...unsynchronized log output"
[07:33:42] *** Tobias shows as "away" and his status message is "yay...unsynchronized log output"
[07:47:52] *** Tobias shows as "online" and his status message is "yay...unsynchronized log output"
[07:51:15] *** Kev has joined the room
[07:51:17] *** Kev shows as "online"
[08:41:18] *** Kev shows as "away"
[08:42:41] *** Kev shows as "online"
[09:06:16] *** Kev shows as "away"
[09:22:05] *** Tobias shows as "away" and his status message is "yay...unsynchronized log output"
[09:42:16] *** Tobias shows as "online" and his status message is "yay...unsynchronized log output"
[09:49:11] *** Kev shows as "online"
[10:04:15] *** Neustradamus shows as "away"
[10:11:51] *** Tobias shows as "away" and his status message is "yay...unsynchronized log output"
[10:13:03] *** Tobias shows as "online" and his status message is "yay...unsynchronized log output"
[11:45:50] *** Kev shows as "away"
[12:00:21] *** Kev shows as "online"
[12:22:43] *** Tobias shows as "away" and his status message is "yay...unsynchronized log output"
[12:25:24] *** Tobias shows as "online" and his status message is "yay...unsynchronized log output"
[13:14:51] *** Tobias shows as "away" and his status message is "yay...unsynchronized log output"
[13:15:53] *** Tobias shows as "online" and his status message is "yay...unsynchronized log output"
[13:51:23] *** stpeter has joined the room
[14:17:23] *** m&m has joined the room
[14:40:56] *** m&m shows as "online"
[14:48:22] *** ralphm has joined the room
[14:51:12] <m&m> T - ~5 minutes
[14:51:45] <stpeter> 15?
[14:51:51] <m&m> /isgh
[14:51:52] <m&m> yesh
[14:51:59] <stpeter> you need last message correction!
[14:52:01] <m&m> I was testing you all
[14:52:02] <m&m> (-:
[14:52:08] <stpeter> a use case!
[14:53:41] *** Tobias shows as "away" and his status message is "yay...unsynchronized log output"
[14:54:31] *** Tobias shows as "online" and his status message is "yay...unsynchronized log output"
[14:55:55] *** ralphm shows as "away" and his status message is "Away as a result of being idle"
[14:55:57] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[14:57:40] <stpeter> I really really need to spend some quality time with XEP-0301 again
[14:58:04] <m&m> I think there needs to be a lock-down on 301 updates for a week or two
[14:58:10] <stpeter> heh
[15:00:17] <ralphm> i'm about to set up a filter
[15:05:30] <stpeter> 'tis time?
[15:05:43] <ralphm> indeed
[15:05:55] <Kev> It is.
[15:06:00] <Kev> 1) Roll call
[15:06:06] <Kev> MattJ sends apologies.
[15:06:17] <ralphm> here
[15:06:18] <m&m> absent
[15:06:25] <m&m> *presente
[15:07:30] <ralphm> it's getting old quickly now^Uhaha
[15:07:50] <Kev> Tobias: ?
[15:07:52] <m&m> It's just getting started
[15:07:56] <Tobias> yes.here
[15:08:00] <m&m> s/it's just getting started/indeed/
[15:08:03] <Kev> Right.
[15:08:11] <Kev> 2) Matt's IETF report.
[15:08:17] <m&m> so
[15:08:43] <m&m> 2.1) E2E — still progressing, mostly in JOSE not XMPP directly
[15:09:41] <m&m> by the way, if anyone is interested in a solution here, I would recommend joining the jose@ietf.org mailer and commenting on any non-OpenId use cases
[15:10:12] <m&m> 2.2) DNA — Stpeter and I wrote up a series of drafts for domain name associations (formerly assertions)
[15:11:19] <m&m> they are light on examples, and there is desire for more guidelines; which to do first, signaling preferences, etc
[15:11:54] <m&m> also includes prooftypes using DNSSEC/DANE and POSH
[15:13:22] <stpeter> POSH being "PKIX over Secure HTTP" -- basically parking your certificate at a well-known URI
[15:13:29] <m&m> thank you
[15:14:31] <m&m> 2.3) 6122bis — mostly waiting on PRECIS, but there are some changes to processing order, and what to do with certain classes of code points (e.g. full- and half-width)
[15:14:45] <ralphm> to be sure, this is the certificate proving that a host may act for a particular domain, right?
[15:15:26] <m&m> ralphm: yes, by virtue of HTTPS 30x redirects
[15:16:08] <m&m> request https://mydomain.com/.well-known/posh._xmpp-client._tcp.cer , get redirected to https://thathostingcomany.net/.well-known/posh._xmpp-client._tcp.cer
[15:16:57] <m&m> DNSSEC is our existing SRV lookups, but with the expectation the record(s) are signed (valid)
[15:17:01] <Kev> Oh, that's a bit icky isn't it?
[15:17:10] <m&m> Kev: it's not perfect, but it is deployable
[15:17:27] <Kev> Requiring people not just to know how to get to the final resource, but also to keep track of how HTTP panned out getting there, I mean.
[15:17:45] <Kev> Well-known-URIs are themselves icky, but I can hold my nose for that.
[15:18:08] <m&m> most HTTP libraries will let you know when a redirect is followed, and how
[15:18:25] <Kev> Does this allow more than one jump?
[15:18:52] <m&m> that right now is not specified … it could, and we'll probably need to put some limits around it
[15:19:22] <Kev> I've got a feeling of general unease about redirects and proofs, because you need to keep track of cert trust at each hop and blah.
[15:19:24] <ralphm> indeed. There have been issues with this in other protocols
[15:19:43] <m&m> Kev: alternate suggestions welcome
[15:19:53] <Kev> Not that this is a deal-breaker, I just enter it with trepidation.
[15:20:00] <m&m> so do most of us
[15:20:03] <m&m> but
[15:20:38] <m&m> it's at least something that could get implemented and deployed before universal IPv6
[15:21:23] <stpeter> well, universal DNSSEC
[15:21:30] <stpeter> (and DANE)
[15:21:36] <Kev> xmpp:jabber.org has IPv6.
[15:21:40] <m&m> I assert that universal DNSSEC will happen just after universal IPv6
[15:21:42] <Kev> Anyone using HE can't route to it...
[15:21:45] <m&m> Kev: that's not universal
[15:21:53] <m&m> d-:
[15:22:39] <m&m> POSH is one possible approach, DNSSEC/DANE is another
[15:22:59] <m&m> both have the potential to make dialback even more relevant than before
[15:23:06] <Kev> OK. I need to use my time machine to create some more time to look at this better.
[15:23:20] <m&m> Kev: I know exactly what you mean (-:
[15:24:03] <Kev> Was that the IETF report done with?
[15:24:08] <ralphm> Kev: go back further and tell those IPv4 people to do it right
[15:24:22] <Kev> ralphm: I think the IPv4 people /did/ do it right.
[15:24:46] <Kev> IPv6 is much more contentious.
[15:24:52] <m&m> re IETF report — there's probably some things happening in PRECIS that are relevant to us also
[15:24:53] <m&m> oh!
[15:25:02] <ralphm> Kev: point
[15:25:25] *m&m finds link
[15:25:30] <m&m> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-marques-l3vpn-end-system-06
[15:25:59] <m&m> this is a draft for using XMPP pubsub for propagating layer-3 VPN information
[15:26:16] <ralphm> +1
[15:26:19] <Kev> Oh, neato.
[15:26:20] <m&m> well, it's a lot of things, but XMPP is in there
[15:26:24] <m&m> they do need some help, though
[15:26:32] <Kev> Maybe this XMPP lark will take off.
[15:26:50] <m&m> HTTP(s) is the One True Protocol™
[15:27:30] <m&m> anyway, I would recommend those enthusiastic about pubsub to read that draft ...
[15:27:52] <ralphm> oh collection nodes
[15:27:57] <m&m> … and contact Pedro Marques <roque@contrailsystems.com> with corrections, suggestions, questions, etc
[15:28:11] <m&m> ralphm: yeah, although I don't think they actually need them for what they are doing
[15:28:24] <ralphm> m&m: pretty unlikely
[15:28:52] <m&m> Also, anyone interested in end-to-end encryption and signing should pay attention to JOSE
[15:28:56] <m&m> and that is all
[15:29:34] <Kev> Perhaps if I didn't lose the best part of a day to dealing with DDoS attacks I'd have time for this.
[15:29:35] <Kev> *grumble*
[15:29:49] <Kev> OK, thanks Matt.
[15:29:50] <stpeter> yeah
[15:29:58] <Kev> 3) Date of next meeting.
[15:30:08] <m&m> SBTSBC WFM
[15:30:15] <Kev> We'll have 308's LC ended by next Wednesday, so we should have something to discuss...
[15:30:23] <m&m> /nod
[15:30:25] <Kev> SBTSBC works for me, I think.
[15:30:35] <Tobias> WFM
[15:30:47] <ralphm> +1
[15:31:06] <Kev> Great.
[15:31:10] <Kev> 4) Any other business?
[15:31:26] <m&m> not for me
[15:32:14] <Kev> OK, we're done then.
[15:32:17] <Kev> Thanks all
[15:32:19] *Kev bangs the gavel.
[15:32:20] <stpeter> yes, thanks
[15:32:22] <m&m> gracias
[15:32:29] *** m&m shows as "dnd" and his status message is "in a meeting!"
[15:32:42] <ralphm> thanks!
[15:51:04] *** m&m has left the room
[15:59:41] *** stpeter shows as "away" and his status message is "wandered off..."
[16:00:27] *** stpeter shows as "online"
[16:04:01] *** m&m has joined the room
[16:04:37] *** m&m shows as "online"
[16:05:54] *** ralphm shows as "away" and his status message is "Away as a result of being idle"
[16:15:54] *** ralphm shows as "xa" and his status message is "Not available as a result of being idle"
[16:26:53] *** m&m shows as "dnd" and his status message is "busy busy busy!"
[16:29:03] *** stpeter shows as "away" and his status message is "wandered off..."
[16:36:22] *** stpeter shows as "online"
[16:42:49] *** Tobias shows as "away" and his status message is "yay...unsynchronized log output"
[16:46:54] *** Tobias shows as "online" and his status message is "yay...unsynchronized log output"
[16:46:55] *** stpeter shows as "away" and his status message is "wandered off..."
[16:47:59] *** stpeter shows as "online"
[16:58:00] *** stpeter shows as "away" and his status message is "wandered off..."
[17:00:30] *** stpeter shows as "online"
[17:21:59] *** Tobias shows as "away" and his status message is "yay...unsynchronized log output"
[17:26:31] *** Tobias shows as "online" and his status message is "yay...unsynchronized log output"
[17:29:30] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[17:45:27] *** Tobias shows as "away" and his status message is "yay...unsynchronized log output"
[17:46:39] *** Tobias shows as "online" and his status message is "yay...unsynchronized log output"
[17:49:39] *** m&m shows as "dnd" and his status message is "in a meeting!"
[17:59:18] *** Tobias shows as "away" and his status message is "yay...unsynchronized log output"
[18:02:57] *** stpeter shows as "away" and his status message is "wandered off..."
[18:05:47] *** m&m shows as "online"
[18:14:31] *** Tobias shows as "online" and his status message is "yay...unsynchronized log output"
[18:19:51] *** m&m shows as "away" and his status message is "stuffage"
[18:22:57] *** stpeter shows as "xa" and his status message is "wandered off..."
[18:27:25] *** Tobias shows as "away" and his status message is "yay...unsynchronized log output"
[18:34:57] *** Tobias shows as "online" and his status message is "yay...unsynchronized log output"
[18:44:22] *** stpeter shows as "online"
[18:57:54] *** stpeter shows as "away" and his status message is "running an errand"
[19:01:58] *** m&m shows as "online"
[19:28:10] *** m&m shows as "away" and his status message is "stuffage"
[19:28:11] *** m&m shows as "online"
[19:42:13] *** Kev shows as "away"
[19:42:41] *** ralphm shows as "away" and his status message is "Away as a result of being idle"
[19:52:41] *** ralphm shows as "xa" and his status message is "Not available as a result of being idle"
[19:56:53] *** m&m shows as "away" and his status message is "stuffage"
[19:59:33] *** Kev shows as "online"
[20:06:37] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[20:13:35] *** stpeter shows as "online"
[20:14:11] *** m&m shows as "online"
[20:55:56] *** Kev shows as "away"
[20:55:57] *** Kev shows as "online"
[21:17:05] *** m&m shows as "away" and his status message is "stuffage"
[21:17:08] *** m&m shows as "online"
[21:23:12] *** m&m shows as "away" and his status message is "stuffage"
[21:23:14] *** m&m shows as "online"
[21:59:32] *** Kev shows as "away"
[22:04:23] *** Kev shows as "online"
[22:19:44] *** Kev shows as "away"
[22:29:11] *** Kev shows as "online"
[22:35:48] *** m&m shows as "away" and his status message is "stuffage"
[22:40:42] *** ralphm has left the room
[22:40:53] *** Kev shows as "away"
[22:51:17] *** stpeter shows as "away" and his status message is "wandered off..."
[22:51:21] *** m&m shows as "online"
[22:51:45] *** m&m has left the room
[22:56:09] *** stpeter shows as "online"
[23:25:16] *** Tobias shows as "away" and his status message is "yay...unsynchronized log output"
[23:58:51] *** stpeter shows as "away" and his status message is "wandered off..."