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XMPP Council Room | https://xmpp.org/about/xmpp-standards-foundation#council | Room logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/council/ | https://trello.com/b/ww7zWMlI/xmpp-council-agenda

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[15:06:17] <m&m> ding?
[15:06:41] <ralphm> pong
[15:06:59] <m&m> was it this week we're skipping, or next?
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[15:07:08] <m&m> not like there's much to discuss … that I can recall (-:
[15:10:18] <ralphm> I think we're meeting to skip :-)
[15:10:29] <m&m> apparently (-:
[15:11:27] <Kev> Did I misremember?
[15:11:36] <Kev> I thought we were skipping until week after next.
[15:11:56] <Kev> Ah, although that's not in the calendar either.
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[15:12:29] <Kev> Yes, I do misremember.
[15:12:37] <Kev> So yes, we're meeting now.
[15:12:41] <m&m> "I'm good next week, I'm not the week after."
[15:12:42] <Kev> I don't think we've got anything to discuss.
[15:12:43] <m&m> (-:
[15:12:46] <m&m> nay do I
[15:13:21] <Kev> Jolly good. Shall we go back to what I thought our plan was anyway? :)
[15:13:46] <m&m> that would be to meet next on 09/19?
[15:13:49] <Kev> 19th
[15:14:05] *m&m pokes stpeter to add it to the calendar
[15:14:14] <m&m> works for me
[15:14:19] <Kev> Excellent.
[15:14:27] <m&m> I'm completely lost this week anyway
[15:14:43] <Kev> Yes, me too.
[15:14:58] <Kev> On the other hand, I have FMUC working, so yay.
[15:15:04] <m&m> w00t
[15:15:29] <Kev> (And I have further spec updates to do as a consequence)
[15:16:02] <m&m> has there been any discussion with any of the DMUC* proponents?
[15:16:05] <m&m> just curious
[15:16:25] <Kev> I've been chatting with Fippo a bit.
[15:16:58] <Kev> Not spoken to that Peter chap recently.
[15:17:08] <Kev> Other than telling him FMUC's the way forward.
[15:17:22] <m&m> Wayne Franklin?
[15:17:47] <Kev> I'm hoping Trident, or whatever they are now if they changed name, will be at the summit.
[15:17:52] <Kev> (And that I will be too)
[15:18:03] <Kev> and that we can have an FMUC discussion there with anyone who's interested.
[15:18:29] <m&m> /nod
[15:18:45] <Kev> But this implementation addresses the concerns they had with FMUC that they were trying to resolve with DMUC3.
[15:19:03] <m&m> that should help
[15:19:09] <Kev> "Just" need to update the XEP to match the code.
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[15:20:09] <Kev> The protocol remains very very nearly just "Do normal MUC, slap an <fmuc/> element in it and drop duplicate or echo stanzas".
[15:20:39] <Kev> (Or don't drop the echos, if you're in single-master mode)
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[20:13:41] <ralphm> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4480695
[20:13:42] <Kanchil> ralphm: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4480695:
WhatsApp is using your IMEI number as password | Hacker News
[20:13:44] <ralphm> pretty funny
[20:15:51] <m&m> aside from the fact that MD5 is not encryption ...
[20:15:53] <m&m> http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/184/961/tumblr_lnvvueuSsj1qcj56b.png
[20:16:14] <ralphm> I said funny, no?
[20:16:43] <m&m> http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/126/314/3cd8a33a.png
[20:17:00] <MattJ> I had a conversation recently with someone who wanted a mobile app to log into XMPP without requiring a username and password to be entered by the user
[20:17:03] <MattJ> and also be secure
[20:17:15] <ralphm> m&m: which planet do you have your eyes on?
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[20:17:35] <m&m> Ceti Alpha IV
[20:17:46] <ralphm> MattJ: what did you tell him?
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[20:18:24] <MattJ> Well the plan was to use phone number for authentication (!)
[20:18:32] <m&m> /sigh
[20:18:42] <MattJ> But for fun, I asked what should happen if I changed my SIM
[20:18:51] <MattJ> Naturally the answer was nothing - it should still work
[20:18:57] <m&m> ....
[20:19:00] <MattJ> So phone number was out
[20:19:15] <MattJ> Then IMEI/other handset serial came up
[20:19:17] <ralphm> so yeah, that kinda leaves the phone's own id
[20:19:35] <MattJ> So I asked what should happen if I brought a new phone, put my SIM in there, and downloaded the app again
[20:19:44] <MattJ> Naturally the answer was that I should still see all my data :)
[20:20:03] <ralphm> MattJ: so you suggested magic?
[20:20:09] <m&m> so … magic (-:
[20:20:10] <m&m> hehe
[20:20:45] <MattJ> A week after this conversation they went to someone else, who I gather is using IBR with the phone number as the username, and I-don't-want-to-know as the password
[20:21:55] <ralphm> MattJ: I'm sure it uses some hash of the image of the user's face
[20:22:12] <ralphm> like the android unlock feature
[20:22:16] <MattJ> Heh
[20:23:59] <ralphm> kinda sucks if you get a new phone number
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