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XMPP Council Room | https://xmpp.org/about/xmpp-standards-foundation#council | Room logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/council/ | https://trello.com/b/ww7zWMlI/xmpp-council-agenda

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[15:06:46] <m&m> ding?
[15:06:50] <stpeter> dong
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[15:09:34] <m&m> we are having a council meeting, right?
[15:09:40] <stpeter> I thought so
[15:09:43] <Tobias> yup
[15:09:51] <Tobias> maybe we should tell Kev about it :)
[15:09:58] <stpeter> although I seem to have been remiss about updating the schedule :(
[15:10:23] <m&m> stpeter: maybe you can show me what to do on that
[15:10:33] <stpeter> m&m: sure thing
[15:11:43] *stpeter pings Kev
[15:11:49] <m&m> I already did
[15:11:52] <stpeter> heh
[15:11:53] <stpeter> ok
[15:11:56] <m&m> + MattJ + Ralphm
[15:12:17] <Kev> Balls, sorry.
[15:12:27] <Kev> Hell of a week.
[15:12:38] <MattJ> m&m, I was already here ;)
[15:12:46] <Kev> I'll note I was late in the minutes.
[15:12:47] <stpeter> Kev: yeah, I'm sure, what with having been on holiday before
[15:12:49] <m&m> I just noticed … sorry!
[15:12:50] <stpeter> :)
[15:12:55] <m&m> it's been a long week for me, too
[15:13:08] <Kev> stpeter: The holiday was weeks ago. I need another by now.
[15:13:09] <Kev> Anyway.
[15:13:11] <Kev> 1) Roll call.
[15:13:15] <Kev> I'm here, belatedly.
[15:13:20] <stpeter> Kev: ouch
[15:13:37] <m&m> presente
[15:13:41] <Tobias> here
[15:14:07] <MattJ> Here
[15:14:45] <Kev> Anyone poked Ralph?
[15:14:52] <m&m> I did
[15:14:56] <Kev> Ta.
[15:14:58] <m&m> no response
[15:15:25] <Kev> 2) http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/muc-admin.html
Accept as XEP?
[15:15:26] <Kanchil> Kev: http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/muc-admin.html:
XEP-xxxx: Multi-User Chat Administration
[15:15:45] <stpeter> m&m pointed out problems to me
[15:16:03] <m&m> I don't know if they're problems, per se
[15:16:11] <Kev> I've not read it yet. I need to.
[15:16:26] <MattJ> I read it yesterday
[15:16:28] <m&m> just curious why existing admin actions are duplicated
[15:16:30] <Kev> I'm not sure why we need another way of setting the subject.
[15:16:33] <stpeter> I should probably fix it up before we publish it, and add more use cases -- I was in a hurry at the time, working on it while commuting and such
[15:16:40] <Kev> Or the other duplications.
[15:16:49] <Tobias> i haven't read it yet etiher
[15:16:58] <MattJ> I think it's a good start, I have a small wishlist though (that may or may not be addressed in this spec)
[15:17:17] <m&m> I've no objections to publishing
[15:17:19] <m&m> btw
[15:17:22] <Kev> I'm a little uneasy about duplicating the functions without understanding the reason.
[15:17:28] <Kev> But I've not read it properly to see if that's explained.
[15:17:33] <Kev> I'll read it over the next couple of days.
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[15:18:11] <ralphm> hi
[15:18:12] <Tobias> hi ralphm
[15:18:19] <Kev> Hi Ralph.
[15:18:30] <Kev> No-one opposing right now, right?
[15:18:41] <Tobias> i'm not...will read it soonish
[15:18:44] <m&m> not now, possibly not ever
[15:18:45] <Kev> Ta.
[15:18:52] <ralphm> not opposing
[15:19:04] <Kev> m&m: I'm so very tempted to make a "That's what she said" comment here.
[15:19:17] <stpeter> the spec doesn't explain why we might want to use ad-hoc commands for existing functions, although one could argue that it would have been a good idea to do that from the start (and wouldn't require special-purpose code), but I agree that these don't deserve to be front-and-center, perhaps in an appendix
[15:19:18] <Kev> But I won't.
[15:19:34] <m&m> Kev: you need another holiday (-:
[15:19:39] <Kev> Really do.
[15:19:42] <m&m> Kev: I hear November 5th should not be forgot
[15:19:46] <ralphm> although I do wonder if we are to mess with this, maybe there are some other things more pressing, re muc
[15:19:52] <Kev> m&m: Very good.
[15:20:12] <Kev> ralphm: If they were pressing, someone would have worked on them :)
[15:20:16] <Kev> (maybe)
[15:20:27] <ralphm> Kev: well yeah, that's a good point I suppose
[15:20:30] <m&m> ralphm: we did got through a fairly thorough editorial revision not too long ago
[15:20:47] *m&m thinks he needs another holiday
[15:21:17] <Kev> 3) Date of next meeting.
[15:21:24] <Kev> Next Wed's not good for me.
[15:21:35] <MattJ> Me neither
[15:22:05] <stpeter> I'll be offline next Wednesday, methinks
[15:22:19] <m&m> so 2012-10-10
[15:22:21] <m&m> ??
[15:22:41] <MattJ> wfm
[15:22:58] <ralphm> m&m: I rather meant an actual overhaul, that probably no-one actually wants. never mind.
[15:22:59] <stpeter> sure
[15:23:06] <Tobias> wfm
[15:23:10] <Kev> m&m: If that's a fortnight today, yes.
[15:23:11] <ralphm> m&m: I just happened to find this (again): https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=27687
[15:23:20] <m&m> Kev: no, it's two weeks
[15:23:21] <m&m> (-:
[15:23:30] *m&m is a little punchy today
[15:23:34] *stpeter notes that m&m and I still need to clean up the ad-hoc commands spec a bit
[15:23:40] <m&m> /sigh
[15:23:44] <Kev> 4) AOB?
[15:23:46] <m&m> yeah, I've got a list sitting next to me
[15:23:52] <m&m> or I thought ...
[15:24:11] <stpeter> m&m: we'll talk :)
[15:24:17] <m&m> /nod
[15:24:19] <stpeter> m&m: but when you're less punchy
[15:24:21] <stpeter> :P
[15:24:26] <stpeter> no AOB from me
[15:24:42] <stpeter> still didn't get to XHTML-IM, maybe tonight :)
[15:24:50] <m&m> none from me
[15:25:16] <Kev> Fab. I still owe minutes for last week, I know.
[15:25:41] <m&m> Kev: do you need someone to take minutes for you?
[15:25:43] <Kev> The end of madness is in sight, hopefully I'll be more on-the-ball when we've got this release shipped.
[15:25:45] <m&m> us
[15:25:54] <Zash> MattJ still owes an updated XEP-0313 ...
[15:26:09] <Kev> m&m: I can do them, but thanks.
[15:26:22] <Kev> I've just been on site the last few days and haven't had a chance to think.
[15:26:27] <stpeter> and don't forget http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Board_and_Council_Elections_2012 -- I'm still recruiting ;-)
[15:26:28] <Kanchil> stpeter: http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Board_and_Council_Elections_2012:
Board and Council Elections 2012 - XMPP Wiki
[15:26:51] <Kev> Number of Council applicants has doubled since I last looked, w00t.
[15:26:58] <Kev> Anyway. I think we're largely done here aren't we?
[15:26:58] <ralphm> :-)
[15:27:14] <ralphm> hit it
[15:27:19] *Kev bangs the gavel
[15:27:20] <Kev> Thanks all.
[15:27:28] <m&m> graze
[15:28:24] <stpeter> calendar updated
[15:28:28] <MattJ> Zash, have been working on 313 this morning
[15:29:23] <Kev> stpeter: Thanks.
[15:29:29] <Kev> stpeter: Thanks for doing the GSoC invoice too.
[15:29:47] <stpeter> Kev: sure thing!
[15:30:15] <stpeter> Kev: do we need to write a final GSoC blog post, perhaps?
[15:30:45] <Kev> Yes. I asked the students to send me links to closing posts of their own, but none did.
[15:30:51] <Kev> So I guess we should write one without.
[15:31:33] *stpeter nods
[15:31:51] <stpeter> not today, though
[15:31:54] <m&m> MattJ/Kev: is there an update to 297 pending also>
[15:31:55] <m&m> ?
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[15:34:26] <Zash> :D
[15:35:06] <Kev> m&m: I vaguely recall I'm supposed to be reading through what's there and seeing if I agree before we request LC.
[15:35:25] <stpeter> :)
[15:36:19] <MattJ> m&m, you need to update carbons for the new format
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[15:38:21] <m&m> yeah, I know
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[15:38:51] <ralphm> :-(
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[15:49:49] <MattJ> ralphm, using Google? ;)
[15:50:00] <MattJ> If you can get them to fix that, I would really love you
[15:50:05] <MattJ> Dave tried
[15:50:44] <ralphm> MattJ: what happened
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[15:51:22] <MattJ> Have to ask him, but evidently it wasn't fixed
[15:52:11] <ralphm> I mean, there must be a way for us, the xsf, to get the message across to them that their implementation is broken in this respect
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[15:57:12] <ralphm> the pdf I linked to above (from freedesktop.org) even mentions that they seem to expect an unavailable presence being sent before a nick change
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