- ralphm waves
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Kev
Hi Ralph.
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Tobias
hi
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Kev
m&m: You here?
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Kev
It is time.
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m&m
I am now
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MattJ
Ditto
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Kev
Good afternoon ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to this year's first installment of ... The EX EM PEE PEE Council.
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Kev
1) Roll call.
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Kev
I'm here.
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m&m
presente
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Tobias
there
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Kev
ralphm: Still here?
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ralphm
here
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Kev
Excellent.
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Kev
2) http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/mep.html Accept as XEP?
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Kanchil
Kev: http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/mep.html: XEP-XXXX: MUC Eventing Protocol
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m&m
no objections
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ralphm
+1
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Kev
I had a couple of niggles with this, but nothing blocking.
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MattJ
+1
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Kev
(Niggles like the Note: box being wrong, and a typo of MEP becoming NEP)
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ralphm
Kev: sure thing
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Tobias
+1
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MattJ
Sorry, I have a bad connection atm, may pop in and out
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MattJ
Kev, oh good, just editorial?
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MattJ
Of the various approaches to MEP that we've ever had, this has always been my favourite
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Kev
I think so, although I'm shattered today so maybe I've just forgotten.
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Kev
It's the only approach that can fundamentally work, I think - although there are lots of things that need to be cleared up.
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Kev
When room history is limited to stuff a day old, MEP should be limited as well, it interacts with Fast Reconnect, etc.
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ralphm
I still have to read it in detail, and a great thing to discuss in a few weeks
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Kev
And when you publish to your PEP node, that should be autopushed to your MEP nodes, presumably.
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stpeter
happy new year
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Kev
But yes, clearing this stuff up in Brussels would be a good use of time there.
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Kev
Hi Peter, HNY.
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Kev
3) http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/hats.html Accept as Experimental?
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Kanchil
Kev: http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/hats.html: XEP-xxxx: Hats
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ralphm
+1
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ralphm
good to see this in writing now
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m&m
also no objections
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Kev
I don't have any fundamental objections to this, although I think that (3) is probably the wrong choice for the format.
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MattJ
+1 to hats
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Kev
I'm glad it doesn't cover some of the madnessess that I've heard discussed for hats over the years.
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stpeter
ralphm: it took only 2 or 3 years, I think
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m&m
(-:
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Kev
3, I think.
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ralphm
I had been thinking of a wrapper around the custom element, but I still have to think that over
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stpeter
ralphm: yeah, I need to give it some more thought too
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Kev
I think you have to assume that clients aren't going to understand the hats themselves in most circumstances.
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Tobias
the example form maps a hat to nicknames? shouldn't it map hats to real jids?
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ralphm
Kev, right
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Kev
Tobias: A reasonable question.
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stpeter
Tobias: quite possibly
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Tobias
stpeter, when removing a had, you at least remove by jid in your example
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Kev
Tobias: Is that blocking?
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waqas
I had a whole bunch of minor questions and issues, but those can go on the ML after these get published :)
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ralphm
Another fine topic for discussion in Brussels
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waqas
(I was attempting to implement both the specs)
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Tobias
Kev, nope..could be fixed during experimental imo
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Tobias
waqas, in which client? ;)
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waqas
Tobias: Servers have to do everything first
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ralphm
For hats I expect many application-specific hats, that generic clients won't do much with, except maybe show their name.
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Tobias
waqas, mimimimi.....
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stpeter
waqas: I'm not surprised -- I wrote the hats spec in a hurry and haven't touched it in several weeks
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ralphm
Like for games
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Kev
OK, so that's everyone happy with this, I think.
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Tobias
could be combined with bits of binary to add small icons for hats, etc.
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Kev
Tobias: No, I think that's MEP :)
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Kev
Aaaaanyway.
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Kev
4) Date of next meeting.
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Kev
Next Wed, usual time?
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Tobias
wfm
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MattJ
+1
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ralphm
Yeah
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Kev
m&m?
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m&m
double-you eff em
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Kev
5) Any other business?
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waqas
m&m: That could be interpreted incorrectly..
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m&m
none from me
- stpeter updates the calendar
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Kev
stpeter: Thanks.
- stpeter wanders off for tea, brb
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Kev
OK, with no other business I guess we're done.
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m&m
same here
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Kev
Thanks all.
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m&m
tea, that is
- Kev bangs the gavel.
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ralphm
yay
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MattJ
Oh, note... stpeter wrote in the call for talks that council would select from submissions
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MattJ
I haven't personally had time to review them yet, shall we aim to do that next week?
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ralphm
muhaha
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Kev
I'm completely not on top of FOSDEM stuff.
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Kev
I'm happy to review stuff (although don't recall seeing enough submissions for stuff to not fit anyway), but I'd greatly appreciate if someone could tell me what to review :)
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ralphm
I think with the start of the new year we should give this new attention
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ralphm
I believe the submission deadline for the FOSDEM flyer is nearing
- ralphm looks that up
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ralphm
oh we set a deadline of 31 December
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MattJ
Yes
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Kev
Have we got enough talks to fill the time?
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Kev
I'm happy enough to put a talk in if we're short and someone can think of anything interesting for me to say.
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Kev
But have nothing particularly burning to say.
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Kev
I'm guessing we'll start with the usual XMPP 101 with some combination of Remko/Peter/me one way or another.
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Tobias
those are for FOSDEM right?
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Tobias
not for summit, the talks
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Kev
Yes.
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Tobias
k
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ralphm
I count 7 proposals on the summit ml
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ralphm
not sure if people have sent requests directly to peter
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MattJ
How much time do we have in the devroom this year?
- ralphm looks
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ralphm
11:00-19:00
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ralphm
and the hard dead-line for the submission of our schedule for the devroom is January 10
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MattJ
So we have plenty of room I gather
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ralphm
yeah
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ralphm
it is nice to not have to cram things in a schedule
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MattJ
Some years we fill gaps with lightning talks, which generally get filled
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MattJ
People always have something to say when given the chance :)
- stpeter wanders back in after much IRL discussion