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[15:53:34] <Kev> Hi Ralph.
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[16:01:10] <Tobias> hi
[16:01:23] <Kev> m&m: You here?
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[16:01:32] <Kev> It is time.
[16:01:34] <m&m> I am now
[16:01:43] <MattJ> Ditto
[16:01:58] <Kev> Good afternoon ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to this year's first installment of ... The EX EM PEE PEE Council.
[16:02:00] <Kev> 1) Roll call.
[16:02:01] <Kev> I'm here.
[16:02:13] <m&m> presente
[16:02:19] <Tobias> there
[16:02:35] <Kev> ralphm: Still here?
[16:02:35] <ralphm> here
[16:02:37] <Kev> Excellent.
[16:02:49] <Kev> 2) http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/mep.html
Accept as XEP?
[16:02:50] <Kanchil> Kev: http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/mep.html:
XEP-XXXX: MUC Eventing Protocol
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[16:02:57] <m&m> no objections
[16:02:58] <ralphm> +1
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[16:03:28] <Kev> I had a couple of niggles with this, but nothing blocking.
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[16:03:35] <MattJ> +1
[16:03:48] <Kev> (Niggles like the Note: box being wrong, and a typo of MEP becoming NEP)
[16:03:51] <ralphm> Kev: sure thing
[16:03:58] <Tobias> +1
[16:04:00] <MattJ> Sorry, I have a bad connection atm, may pop in and out
[16:04:25] <MattJ> Kev, oh good, just editorial?
[16:04:42] <MattJ> Of the various approaches to MEP that we've ever had, this has always been my favourite
[16:04:42] <Kev> I think so, although I'm shattered today so maybe I've just forgotten.
[16:05:15] <Kev> It's the only approach that can fundamentally work, I think - although there are lots of things that need to be cleared up.
[16:05:40] <Kev> When room history is limited to stuff a day old, MEP should be limited as well, it interacts with Fast Reconnect, etc.
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[16:05:51] <ralphm> I still have to read it in detail, and a great thing to discuss in a few weeks
[16:05:53] <Kev> And when you publish to your PEP node, that should be autopushed to your MEP nodes, presumably.
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[16:06:11] <stpeter> happy new year
[16:06:17] <Kev> But yes, clearing this stuff up in Brussels would be a good use of time there.
[16:06:20] <Kev> Hi Peter, HNY.
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[16:06:33] <Kev> 3) http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/hats.html
Accept as Experimental?
[16:06:34] <Kanchil> Kev: http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/hats.html:
XEP-xxxx: Hats
[16:06:36] <ralphm> +1
[16:06:44] <ralphm> good to see this in writing now
[16:06:53] <m&m> also no objections
[16:07:00] <Kev> I don't have any fundamental objections to this, although I think that (3) is probably the wrong choice for the format.
[16:07:09] <MattJ> +1 to hats
[16:07:12] <Kev> I'm glad it doesn't cover some of the madnessess that I've heard discussed for hats over the years.
[16:07:18] <stpeter> ralphm: it took only 2 or 3 years, I think
[16:07:24] <m&m> (-:
[16:07:26] <Kev> 3, I think.
[16:07:36] <ralphm> I had been thinking of a wrapper around the custom element, but I still have to think that over
[16:07:59] <stpeter> ralphm: yeah, I need to give it some more thought too
[16:08:05] <Kev> I think you have to assume that clients aren't going to understand the hats themselves in most circumstances.
[16:08:19] <Tobias> the example form maps a hat to nicknames? shouldn't it map hats to real jids?
[16:08:29] <ralphm> Kev, right
[16:08:50] <Kev> Tobias: A reasonable question.
[16:08:58] <stpeter> Tobias: quite possibly
[16:09:11] <Tobias> stpeter, when removing a had, you at least remove by jid in your example
[16:09:36] <Kev> Tobias: Is that blocking?
[16:09:46] <waqas> I had a whole bunch of minor questions and issues, but those can go on the ML after these get published :)
[16:09:58] <ralphm> Another fine topic for discussion in Brussels
[16:09:59] <waqas> (I was attempting to implement both the specs)
[16:10:04] <Tobias> Kev, nope..could be fixed during experimental imo
[16:10:24] <Tobias> waqas, in which client? ;)
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[16:10:47] <waqas> Tobias: Servers have to do everything first
[16:11:09] <ralphm> For hats I expect many application-specific hats, that generic clients won't do much with, except maybe show their name.
[16:11:11] <Tobias> waqas, mimimimi.....
[16:11:28] <stpeter> waqas: I'm not surprised -- I wrote the hats spec in a hurry and haven't touched it in several weeks
[16:11:37] <ralphm> Like for games
[16:11:37] <Kev> OK, so that's everyone happy with this, I think.
[16:11:47] <Tobias> could be combined with bits of binary to add small icons for hats, etc.
[16:11:57] <Kev> Tobias: No, I think that's MEP :)
[16:12:02] <Kev> Aaaaanyway.
[16:12:07] <Kev> 4) Date of next meeting.
[16:12:10] <Kev> Next Wed, usual time?
[16:12:15] <Tobias> wfm
[16:12:16] <MattJ> +1
[16:12:21] <ralphm> Yeah
[16:12:48] <Kev> m&m?
[16:12:57] <m&m> double-you eff em
[16:13:24] <Kev> 5) Any other business?
[16:13:32] <waqas> m&m: That could be interpreted incorrectly..
[16:13:50] <m&m> none from me
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[16:14:06] <Kev> stpeter: Thanks.
[16:14:25] *stpeter wanders off for tea, brb
[16:14:30] <Kev> OK, with no other business I guess we're done.
[16:14:31] <m&m> same here
[16:14:34] <Kev> Thanks all.
[16:14:35] <m&m> tea, that is
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[16:15:04] <ralphm> yay
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[16:17:37] <MattJ> Oh, note... stpeter wrote in the call for talks that council would select from submissions
[16:17:52] <MattJ> I haven't personally had time to review them yet, shall we aim to do that next week?
[16:17:53] <ralphm> muhaha
[16:18:36] <Kev> I'm completely not on top of FOSDEM stuff.
[16:19:04] <Kev> I'm happy to review stuff (although don't recall seeing enough submissions for stuff to not fit anyway), but I'd greatly appreciate if someone could tell me what to review :)
[16:23:32] <ralphm> I think with the start of the new year we should give this new attention
[16:23:48] <ralphm> I believe the submission deadline for the FOSDEM flyer is nearing
[16:23:53] *ralphm looks that up
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[16:25:00] <ralphm> oh we set a deadline of 31 December
[16:26:26] <MattJ> Yes
[16:27:01] <Kev> Have we got enough talks to fill the time?
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[16:27:21] <Kev> I'm happy enough to put a talk in if we're short and someone can think of anything interesting for me to say.
[16:27:30] <Kev> But have nothing particularly burning to say.
[16:28:10] <Kev> I'm guessing we'll start with the usual XMPP 101 with some combination of Remko/Peter/me one way or another.
[16:28:26] <Tobias> those are for FOSDEM right?
[16:28:30] <Tobias> not for summit, the talks
[16:28:31] <Kev> Yes.
[16:28:33] <Tobias> k
[16:29:23] <ralphm> I count 7 proposals on the summit ml
[16:29:41] <ralphm> not sure if people have sent requests directly to peter
[16:30:51] <MattJ> How much time do we have in the devroom this year?
[16:31:41] *ralphm looks
[16:34:41] <ralphm> 11:00-19:00
[16:35:02] <ralphm> and the hard dead-line for the submission of our schedule for the devroom is January 10
[16:36:34] <MattJ> So we have plenty of room I gather
[16:37:09] <ralphm> yeah
[16:37:22] <ralphm> it is nice to not have to cram things in a schedule
[16:37:26] <MattJ> Some years we fill gaps with lightning talks, which generally get filled
[16:37:50] <MattJ> People always have something to say when given the chance :)
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