XMPP Council - 2013-01-09

Blah, the diff tool isn't working. This is going to make checking Kurt's diff somewhat harder.

yeah

noticed that earlier this morning

https://gitorious.org/xmpp/xmpp/commit/c1d9716bfe7e0171a8b82a5f69da811d3e2f0d1b

hrmph

ok, now that is loading (-:

Righty, it is time.

hi

I don't see Tobias online.

Hi Ralph.

1) Roll call.

I'm here.

presente

I have apologies from MattJ.

I'm here

Tobias seems missing.

2) XEP-0258 Accept 1.1? http://xmpp.org/extensions/diff/api/xep/0258/diff/1.0/vs/1.1rc1 http://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0258-1.1.html

This is a simple change, I'm happy with it.

that first link doesn't work for me

Yeah, it's down. There's a git diff further in your scrollback.

There's a typo in the first sentence s/returned/return/

m&m: So there is.

https://gitorious.org/xmpp/xmpp/commit/c1d9716bfe7e0171a8b82a5f69da811d3e2f0d1b

otherwise I'm +1

That's editorial, so I think we can ask Peter to just fix it as he pushes the new version.

/nod

oh right, +1

3) Obsoleting compliance

Peter'd like to obsolete the obsolete compliance suites.

Seems sensible to me. Keeping the latest version not obsolete also seems sensible to me.

right

no objections from me

I've come to terms with the fact that those entities we would like to strongly get into compliance will not actually be coerced into that by these compliance suites at all.

Time for compliance suite 2013 soon? :)

that said, I'm +1 on obsoleting the obsolete

I'd rather have "Now THAT'S What I call Compliance 7" or some such … not actually based on a year

ralphm: I think there are entities that can be encouraged by this marketing ploy if they know about it.

ralphm: And keeping the 'current' one not obsolete?

Kev: I am thinking of the truly big entities, like Google.

Kev: yeah

Cool.

4) XHTML-IM to Final (do I need to publish an updated version?)

Has Waqas's feedback been addressed yet? I thought it hadn't.

has Waqas provided feedback?

Was it not Waqas? Someone had found bunches of security holes in various implementations, and we/Peter were/was going to update the XEP to discuss them and suggest it's better if you don't have them. I'm pretty sure that was Waqas.

I remember Waqas saying he found a bunch, but I never saw was that list was

maybe it was shared with a limited party

Ah, maybe he didn't send it, then.

I don't recall seeing it, it's true.

OK, I'll chase Waqas, then.

in which case, his publicized concerns have been addressed, IMO

please

I'd rather delay Finaling it until it's clear that they're addressed.

Aren't those basically implementation issues. I don't think the actual protocol will need to change.

so that's ready for Final

I don't remember seeing a list, so I don't know if they were implementations or actual protocol problems

possible editorial clarifications or security notices can always be added if needed

how about we give him a fortnight to publicize the concerns?

assuming Kev chases him down soon

How about we go for after FOSDEM?

sorry I'm late

that works

It's not clear to me whether I'll be able to do meetings between now and then anyway.

stpeter: Forgiven :)

+1

I can ping Waqas

I too recall some possible implementation stupidities (really)

like allowing silly CSS stuff

even though they're NOT RECOMMENDED in the spec

IIRC they were things that you'd have to be really stupid about in HTML, but I suppose some people are

m&m: right

I just can't find that list

stpeter: OK, if you're pinging him fab, thanks. One fewer thing for me to forget to do.

(-:

5) Date of next meeting.

stpeter: stupid is usually just throwing the incoming stuff verbatim into an HTML renderer

ralphm: among other things, yes

I'd quite like to delay until Feb, depending whether other people are OK with that.

Kev: seems OK

+1

wfm

OK, so next meeting whatever the first Wed in Feb is, normal time.

6) AOB?

reading the log, I'm not quite sure what to do about the compliance suite specs -- obsolete them all? (it seems some folks think it might be beneficial to have a "living document")

stpeter: I think we agreed to obsolete all but the latest.

what Kev said

right, and then figure out what to do

sure

WFM

exactly

will do, then

Ta.

Any OB?

none from me

none here

I will be at FOSDEM, BTW, although I still need to book stuff (I think I wasn't sure last time we had a meeting).

So, I think we're done.

ok

Thanks all.

yep

thanks indeed!

stpeter: did we come up with a final room schedule?

ralphm: I don't think so -- will work with bear on that today or tonight

ah, ok

I should be around tonight (for me) as well

if needed

hard dead line is tomorrow

ok thanks

yes

got it

so I'll get to work on that sooner rather than later :)

but first, some tea :)

brb

I think there was some confusion over whether talks were for FOSDEM or the summit.

Last I saw on the list.

aha

that confusion was only with me I think

hi bear :)

Well, I wasn't sure, so at least I was confused as well.

I like to share my confusion with others it seems ;)

heh

generally all the talks are for FOSDEM unless they're too geeky

Right.

does fosdem have that speaker app/tool again?

bear: oh yes

bear: it's quite the fun thing IIRC

yea, I remember using an earlier version of it

bear: will ping you via PM here soonish to coordinate, but first I need to get vaguely organized :)

bear: You're at FOSDEM this time aren't you?

I leave sunday, but yes

Excellent.

I'm probably going to leave Sunday, myself.

yea, I wasn't going to short my self by not going to at least one day of fosdem

meating

:)

leaving after it, I think

ralphm: I'm happy to see that you have your priorities in line :)

Are we likely to be meating on the Saturday or the Sunday?

Sunday, I am guessing

Seems a shame to miss that, but I'm not sure I'll hang around long enough for the Sunday night.

if florian is indeed going to fix Saturday for dinner

Oh. I thought the suggestion was much earlier for dinner - Thursday or whatever.

last time I talked with him about it, he said that the place is closed on Thursday

Ah.

Of course Friday is the pre-FOSDEM drink event. But I don't care for that as much.

Words fail to describe how little I wish to attend that :)

used to be awesome with around 200 people

But now first some zuurkool met spek.

agreed on Friday

yep, leaving sunday morning

ralphm: I suspect it used to be awesome /for people who drink/ :)

yeah, it's pretty insane

the first time I went (still at L'Roi d'Espagne or whatever) it was fun

so we'll simply need to make other plans

My preference, which doesn't count for much, would be to have the XSF dinner on the Friday and then just a meating on the Saturday.

that would work for me

the dinner on friday can happen early enough to give time for the drinkers to wander over to the other event

Was there going to be a Board meeting after the Council meeting today, or has that habit stopped now?

hmm, there could have been

the only two things on the "must get done" list were the hotel and planning for fosdem

XSF meal is on the Thursday.

Just checked with Florian

I think Thursday is preferable to Friday :)

same

then the only item to finish is the speaker list, and we will be doing that later in the day

let me send an email to the members list saying that so anyone can pipe up if they have something they are worried about

Fab.

It wasn't a case of needing a Board meeting to discuss anything, I just like to turn up whenever they are.

.

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shall we chat here instead? ;-)

friday sounds way better...especially since i'll arrive friday morning :D

Tobias: bad planning

ralphm, well...i have collisions with end semester exams on thursday

sadness

I missed 1 FOSDEM because of my master's thesis

ralphm, what was your master thesis about?

Tobias: a research vehicle for streaming video with graceful degradation

ah..interesting

http://alexandria.tue.nl/extra1/afstversl/wsk-i/meijer2004.pdf

stpeter, bear: as always, the deadline slipped. They want it before the 15th, with a hard deadline the 18th

our room is H.2213

thanks ralphm

but you may still finish it today, of course :-)

ralphm: I will certainly do so this week, anyway, but will endeavor to get it mostly stable this evening

stpeter - if you get the list wrangled on the wiki - I will do the data entry

bear: ok

the data entry is the fun part :)

haha - well, i'm not going to take away your fun - just figured that was a good split

for sure

will ping you later, time for another meeting here :)

k

stpeter: do you still have valid pentabarf credentials?

(I do)

ralphm: probably, but I need to check