Wednesday, February 06, 2013
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XMPP Council Room | https://xmpp.org/about/xmpp-standards-foundation#council | Room logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/council/ | https://trello.com/b/ww7zWMlI/xmpp-council-agenda

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[16:04:36] <stpeter> howdy
[16:04:41] <Kev> Evening.
[16:04:43] <Tobias> hi
[16:05:04] <Kev> I've poked Ralph.
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[16:05:09] <Kev> And he has arrived!
[16:05:15] <ralphm> Hi!
[16:05:49] <Kev> Hi Ralph.
[16:05:51] <Kev> So.
[16:05:57] <Kev> Agenda-wise, we've got bidi.
[16:06:08] <Kev> I thought the RTT guys said they were going to submit, but I've not seen them do so.
[16:06:14] <stpeter> I think XEP-0152 is ready for a Last Call, too
[16:06:24] <fippo> bidi on short-notice
[16:06:24] <Kev> And HanzZ's roster stuff is hanging around, but I don't think he's actually submitted yet?
[16:06:30] <fippo> kev: can you poke dave?
[16:06:43] <Tobias> i'll try to have the XEP-0012 surrounding changes till next week
[16:06:50] <Kev> It's probably within my power, yes.
[16:07:00] <stpeter> Tobias: great
[16:07:43] <Kev> stpeter: You're mentioning this now for the first time, right? I've not missed it on the list.
[16:08:03] <stpeter> I've received a patch from Jef LaGrange about file info sharing, too, need to apply that
[16:08:12] <Kev> So.
[16:08:14] <Kev> 1) Roll call.
[16:08:18] <Kev> I'm here!
[16:08:27] <ralphm> yeah
[16:08:34] <stpeter> see http://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2013-January/027030.html
[16:09:04] <stpeter> but we can wait until the next meeting, no huge hurry given that it went 4+ years between updates ;-)
[16:09:07] <Tobias> here 2
[16:09:15] <Kev> m&m: You here?
[16:09:39] <Kev> I'll take that as a 'no'.
[16:09:44] <stpeter> m&m is AFK
[16:09:48] <Kev> stpeter: Ah, I didn't read that as an LC request.
[16:09:54] <stpeter> Kev: it wasn't
[16:09:58] <stpeter> Kev: next meeting is fine
[16:10:03] <Kev> OK.
[16:10:09] <Kev> 2) LC on Bidi.
[16:10:17] <ralphm> +1
[16:10:19] <Kev> I'm happy to LC it.
[16:10:37] <ralphm> I'd comment that I expected a response exchange when requesting bidi
[16:10:53] <stpeter> seems like a fine idea -- fippo and I talked in Brussels about pushing dialback to Draft, too
[16:11:39] <Tobias> +1 on LC
[16:11:58] <Kev> Cool.
[16:11:59] <fippo> ralphm: we decided that was unnecessary... i'll see if i can find the mail in the xmpp@ archives
[16:12:34] <ralphm> fippo: while it may a no-op, it appears to me that enabling something in xmpp is typically a request-response exchange
[16:12:53] <ralphm> fippo: I'd like to keep things consistent
[16:12:58] <Kev> ralphm: It usually is, but that's actually a bad thing in many cases (as it forces round trips and those are baaad).
[16:13:24] <ralphm> Kev: I don't see why it couldn't be pipelined anyway
[16:13:37] <Kev> Right.
[16:13:56] <Kev> OK, so.
[16:13:59] <Kev> 3) Date of next meeting.
[16:14:10] <Kev> Next week's going to be really rough for me to try and have a meeting.
[16:14:12] <Kev> Week after?
[16:14:40] <Tobias> wfm
[16:14:41] <stpeter> week after works for me
[16:14:52] <Kev> ralphm?
[16:15:19] <ralphm> P2w is fine by me
[16:15:34] <Kev> And
[16:15:37] <Kev> 4) Any other business?
[16:15:51] <ralphm> Thanks everyone for another great FOSDEM and Summit
[16:15:59] <stpeter> indeed!
[16:16:03] <Kev> Yes, thanks all, especially those arranging it.
[16:16:21] <stpeter> also please add your notes to http://wiki.xmpp.org:12480/web/FOSDEM_Checklist
[16:16:23] <Kanchil> stpeter: http://wiki.xmpp.org:12480/web/FOSDEM_Checklist:
FOSDEM Checklist - XMPP Wiki
[16:16:26] <Kev> stpeter: I did!
[16:16:28] <stpeter> so that we can make it better next time
[16:16:33] <stpeter> Kev: thanks much :)
[16:16:39] <fippo> ralphm: will poke dave if he remembers the rationale for not making it request-response, can't find it atm
[16:16:50] <ralphm> fippo: ok, cool
[16:17:17] <stpeter> Tobias: when I am a bit more settled I might ping you about iq:last and all that -- I want to make sure we all understand the changes that need to be made :-)
[16:17:38] <Tobias> stpeter, okidoki :)
[16:17:51] *stpeter slept for 11 hours and is now rested up from the trip to Brussels
[16:17:57] <ralphm> woah
[16:18:07] <stpeter> 11 hours last night, that is
[16:18:14] <ralphm> I should try that, too
[16:18:23] <stpeter> it was quite welcome :-)
[16:18:30] <ralphm> I can imagine
[16:18:32] *stpeter wanders off briefly for tea
[16:18:55] <ralphm> I think we're still in session
[16:19:23] <Kev> Sorry.
[16:19:29] <Kev> We're done.
[16:19:36] <Kev> I guess that bit was important.
[16:19:38] <Kev> Thanks all :)
[16:19:41] *Kev bangs the gavel.
[16:19:45] <ralphm> Woot
[16:19:54] <ralphm> 15min is not bad at all
[16:23:39] <stpeter> heh
[16:23:42] *stpeter updates the calendar
[16:23:50] <Kev> Thanks.
[16:24:23] <stpeter> which, clearly, I neglected to do last time :(
[16:25:02] <ralphm> stpeter: I'd be tempted to make it a repeating event
[16:25:10] <ralphm> even if we sometimes decide to skip
[16:25:31] <stpeter> possible, yeah
[16:26:06] <stpeter> done for the 20th, anyway
[16:26:35] <ralphm> I might be spoiled by google calendar
[16:26:39] <stpeter> :)
[16:26:59] <ralphm> which even allows for attaching a hangout to meetings like this
[16:27:18] <ralphm> we use that at Mochi for our engineering meetings
[16:27:44] <ralphm> (not that I'm suggesting this for regular council meetings)
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[16:49:29] <m&m> arrrggh!
[16:49:53] <m&m> I didn't have this in my calendar, so I had another meeting instead
[16:50:03] <stpeter> m&m: my fault about the calendar
[16:50:21] <m&m> so, +1 on LC for 288
[16:50:26] <m&m> belatedly
[16:52:39] <stpeter> better late than never ;-)
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[19:09:31] <ralphm> m&m: :-/
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[19:32:35] <m&m> ralphm: if my phone doesn't remind me, the meeting doesn't exist (-:
[19:34:10] <Tobias> that awfully sounds like philosoraptor
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