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XMPP Council Room | http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/xmpp-council/ | Room logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/council/ | https://trello.com/b/ww7zWMlI/xmpp-council-agenda

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[14:10:04] <Tobias> council metting in 2h?
[14:16:51] <Kev> Yep.
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[16:04:18] <Kev> Ding.
[16:04:25] <Tobias> Dong.
[16:04:30] <Tobias> The witch is dead.
[16:04:39] <Kev> Oh no!
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[16:05:09] <Kev> I have poked the Ralph.
[16:05:10] <Tobias> ralph seems to be idle
[16:05:11] *MattJ wonders what the time is
[16:05:16] <MattJ> and what time the meeting is
[16:05:17] <Tobias> hammer time
[16:05:18] <Kev> Bat time.
[16:05:29] <MattJ> Did the clocks change?
[16:05:30] <Kev> 1) Roll call.
[16:05:31] <Kev> I am here.
[16:05:38] <Kev> MattJ: Not in Europe yet.
[16:05:38] <MattJ> I'm also here
[16:05:42] <Kev> Although they will before the next meeting.
[16:05:45] <Tobias> As am I
[16:05:53] <MattJ> Ok, so my client is just lying to me
[16:06:11] <Tobias> MattJ, the night of this sat/sun
[16:06:42] <Kev> m&m?
[16:07:02] <Kev> Just the three of us then, by the look of it.
[16:07:09] <Kev> 2) http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/sensor-network-provisioning.html
Accept as Experimental?
[16:07:10] <Kanchil> Kev: http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/sensor-network-provisioning.html:
XEP-xxxx: XEP - Sensor Networks - Provisioning
[16:07:33] <Tobias> got till 3.12 but could tell you my comments so far
[16:07:41] <Kev> Go for it.
[16:07:51] <Kev> I'm at the not-blocking-but-bits-of-it-are-a-bit-weird stage.
[16:08:30] <Tobias> Editorial:
- images in-line as SVG or Base64ed PNG
- glossary could use definition list syntax instead of table

Formal:
- Example 1: 'get' and 'response' in node names is a bit redundant. The info is already available in the IQ-type.
- Example 2..: Similiar redundant info in names. Isn't that important when compressed but still unclean in my opinion.

Technical:
- Out of scope probably: Are the sensor nodes use standard XMPP C2S connections over TCP/IP + TLS?
[16:09:21] <Kev> I was quite uneasy about building a new layer of identity over the top of XMPP, personally.
[16:09:53] <Tobias> you mean their authentication part?
[16:09:56] <Kev> Yeah.
[16:10:07] <MattJ> I need to read it more thorougly and post on-list, I have only been able to skim it
[16:10:19] <Kev> I found it very very hard going.
[16:10:22] <MattJ> Yes
[16:10:37] <MattJ> The question is whether it needs to be
[16:10:43] <Kev> But in any case - Tobias: Was that an opinion expressed, or going to be on list?
[16:10:46] <MattJ> I suspect not
[16:10:51] <Kev> MattJ: Yes, lots seems like it should be simplifiable.
[16:11:00] <Kev> Or more XMPPish.
[16:11:15] <Tobias> Kev, i'll probably reply on list when i've read it completely...seems more sensible at least
[16:11:19] <Kev> OK.
[16:11:24] <Kev> 3) Date of next meeting?
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[16:11:50] <jabberjocke> permission to speak?
[16:11:51] <Tobias> hi Peter Waher
[16:11:56] <Kev> Yeah, go for it.
[16:12:15] <jabberjocke> the work is very ongoing and we would
[16:12:28] <jabberjocke> like to have thorough discussions on the lists
[16:13:07] <jabberjocke> peters had alot of experiens in the sensor field
[16:13:26] <jabberjocke> so the provisioning "third party"
[16:13:26] <Tobias> that's good...because we probably have not so much :)
[16:13:57] <jabberjocke> is needed when using sensors from different suppliers and defineing who should
[16:14:02] <jabberjocke> descide ion the access
[16:14:35] <jabberjocke> simplification is most welcome
[16:14:57] <Kev> OK, thanks.
[16:15:15] <MattJ> I'll read it with that in mind when I read it, then :)
[16:15:32] <jabberjocke> (y)
[16:15:41] <Kev> I think there's lots of work that would benefit on the list (ideally in chunks small enough that they can be processed without setting aside hours at a time, as has happened before with big specs).
[16:15:46] <jabberjocke> throw questions any time
[16:15:51] <Kev> It's where the XMPP experts live :)
[16:16:06] <Kev> Ta.
[16:16:17] <Kev> So, I think we're on to
3) Next date?
[16:16:19] <Kev> SBTSBC?
[16:16:22] <Tobias> wfm
[16:16:28] <MattJ> wfm
[16:16:36] <Kev> 4) AOB?
[16:16:44] <Tobias> none here
[16:17:16] <Kev> MattJ: ?
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[16:17:49] <Kev> I'll take that as a no :)
[16:17:52] <Kev> Right, so I think we're done.
[16:17:55] <Kev> Thanks all
[16:17:57] *Kev bangs the gavel.
[16:18:13] <m&m> gadammit
[16:18:32] <m&m> ok, I'll review the notes, and respond accordingly
[16:18:36] <MattJ> No AOB
[16:18:40] <Kev> Ta.
[16:18:46] <stpeter> (sorry that I have been in a Cisco meeting this morning)
[16:19:06] <stpeter> people are expecting me to do internal work these days... ;-)
[16:19:07] <MattJ> stpeter, we need the apology from Cisco :)
[16:19:27] <Tobias> and a signed letter from your mom
[16:20:02] <m&m> heh
[16:20:09] <m&m> 2) no objections
[16:20:22] <m&m> 3) I am on holiday next week, so will not be able to make it
[16:20:36] <m&m> 4) irrelevant at this point
[16:20:47] <Kev> Would you like us to delay (3)?
[16:21:36] <m&m> I can respond on the list, if anything comes up next week
[16:21:45] <m&m> so, no, you don't need to delay on my part
[16:21:55] <stpeter> I'll review the log when I'm done here in ~15 minutes (I hope)
[16:21:55] <Kev> (I note that with the DST change, SBTSBC is different in UTC)
[16:23:06] <Kev> And that's super-efficient Council minutes out.
[16:24:25] <Tobias> i'll update the entry in the calendar
[16:24:36] <Kev> Ta.
[16:26:35] <stpeter> Kev: noted, you are a model for us all ;-)
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