Wednesday, April 10, 2013
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XMPP Council Room | https://xmpp.org/about/xmpp-standards-foundation#council | Room logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/council/ | https://trello.com/b/ww7zWMlI/xmpp-council-agenda

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[15:03:25] <m&m> ding?
[15:03:38] <m&m> or am I an hour early?
[15:03:38] <MattJ> Dong
[15:03:40] <MattJ> Nope
[15:03:52] <MattJ> Kev is... *gasp* late
[15:03:56] <MattJ> By 32 seconds
[15:04:10] <Kev> It is time.
[15:04:15] *m&m dislikes Daylight Savings Time
[15:04:33] *MattJ too
[15:04:42] <Kev> I've poked Ralph.
[15:04:53] <Kev> Did I miss anything, or is there nothing to discuss this week?
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[15:04:56] <Kev> 1) Roll call.
[15:04:58] <Kev> I'm here.
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[15:05:16] <m&m> presente (for once)
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[15:05:23] <stpeter> howdy
[15:06:02] <MattJ> Here
[15:06:39] <Kev> Tobias:?
[15:06:44] <Tobias> here
[15:07:16] <Kev> Assuming I didn't miss anything and there's nothing for this week again...
[15:07:20] <Kev> 3) Date of next meeting.
[15:07:29] <m&m> SBTSBC WFM
[15:07:51] <MattJ> Me too
[15:07:52] <Tobias> wfm
[15:07:59] <Kev> And for me.
[15:08:01] <stpeter> I still need to publish a few things from the inbox
[15:08:57] <Kev> But that's for next week?
[15:09:01] <Kev> 4) AOB?
[15:09:08] <stpeter> no, just noting my action items :-)
[15:09:20] <m&m> none from me
[15:09:27] <stpeter> however, the last call for XEP-0152 finished
[15:09:37] <stpeter> so I suppose the Council can vote on it at some point
[15:09:53] <Kev> Did we have a sum total of no feedback on that one, or do I misremember?
[15:09:55] <stpeter> same for 288
[15:10:15] <stpeter> there was pre-LC feedback on 152
[15:10:23] <stpeter> from Lance, at least, IIRC
[15:10:34] <Kev> Fippo's comment on 288 suggested that there were (probably minor) changes still to come on that.
[15:10:40] <stpeter> and feedback from Zash on 288
[15:12:20] <Kev> I've poked Fippo to see if 288 changes are coming.
[15:12:33] <stpeter> I will review 288 this week
[15:12:39] <Kev> I'll try to dig out the feedback on 152, I didn't notice it.
[15:12:47] <stpeter> nod
[15:12:51] <stpeter> that's it from me
[15:13:05] <Kev> I've noted adding 288 and 152 to next Council.
[15:13:10] <stpeter> thanks!
[15:13:13] <Kev> I think we're done then.
[15:13:15] <Kev> Thanks all
[15:13:18] *Kev bangs the gavel.
[15:13:21] <m&m> grazie
[15:13:39] *stpeter notes to himself that he needs to issue a Last Call on XEP-0220, too
[15:13:57] <MattJ> Do you have to?
[15:14:14] <MattJ> Can't we just, you know... leave it as it is? :P
[15:14:19] <stpeter> :P
[15:14:40] <MattJ> I guess we need something to keep our mailing lists active
[15:14:59] <m&m> heh
[15:15:02] <stpeter> hey, it has been in use since ~October 2000 and was in a Proposed Standard RFC, I think it deserves to be something other than an Experimental XEP :P
[15:15:12] <m&m> you could always propose an alternative (-:
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[15:16:13] <Kev> 'backdial
[15:16:40] <m&m> fwdcall?
[15:16:50] <m&m> er…callfwd
[15:17:20] *stpeter tunes out the banter and pays attention to his conference call :P
[15:19:46] <Tobias> so..AOB section done?
[15:20:00] <Kev> Meeting done.
[15:20:06] <Kev> 7 minutes ago.
[15:20:07] <MattJ> wb Tobias :)
[15:20:31] <Tobias> ahh..overread that line
[15:20:37] <Tobias> MattJ, been there all the time...physically
[15:20:43] <MattJ> But mentally...?
[15:20:56] <Tobias> menta...what?
[15:21:13] <MattJ> Thought so. It's all the C++ you've been doing :)
[15:21:24] <m&m> ouch
[15:22:02] <Tobias> or the couple minutes lua i squeezed in a week ago
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[16:00:50] <fippo> hah, the dialback alternative will of course be turbohalibut!
[16:00:57] <fippo> don't you read xmpp@ietf.org? ;-)
[16:01:07] <m&m> fippo: uhm … no
[16:01:20] <m&m> POSH actually is turbohalibut
[16:01:30] <m&m> are you sure *you* read xmpp@ietf.org? (-:
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[16:01:50] <MattJ> Haha
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[16:02:49] *fippo goes digging the archives
[16:04:29] <fippo> well, POSH doesn't DER-encode, does it?
[16:04:43] <fippo> i'm pretty sure this step is crucial for turbohalibut
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[17:56:00] <Kev> User exists but hasn't yet implicitly created a roster by adding anything to it. Does the roster exist or not?
[17:56:15] <Kev> i.e. does the text saying that you MUST NOT return an error, or the text saying you MUST return an error apply?
[17:56:45] <Kev> ( http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6121#section-2.1.4 )
[17:56:48] <Kanchil> Kev: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6121#section-2.1.4:
RFC 6121 - Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol (XMPP): Instant Messaging and Presence
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[17:57:53] <MattJ> Kev, in Prosody no stored data == empty stored data
[17:57:59] <MattJ> so we treat it as an empty roster
[17:58:23] <Kev> Ta.
[17:58:26] <Kev> Anyone else?
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[18:12:35] <m&m> Cisco products behave similarly
[18:12:44] <Kev> Merci.
[18:12:55] <m&m> for roster
[18:13:38] <MattJ> btw, we also actually load the roster when the user binds their resource
[18:13:56] <MattJ> and fail binding if it can't be loaded
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[18:14:18] <MattJ> (failure, as opposed to not existing)
[18:14:47] <MattJ> This was so we don't end up overwriting it, or confusing clients into thinking they have an empty or no roster
[18:15:29] <Kev> Yes, that's quite sensible.
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