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XMPP Council Room | https://xmpp.org/about/xmpp-standards-foundation#council | Room logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/council/ | https://trello.com/b/ww7zWMlI/xmpp-council-agenda

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[14:35:17] <Tobias> can't attend the meeting later...will reply on list tomorrow
[14:36:53] <Kev> Ta.
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[14:59:23] <ralphm> Hi Fans!
[14:59:38] <Kev> It's a Ralph.
[14:59:50] <m&m> *THE* Ralph (m)
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[15:04:21] <Kev> Ding.
[15:04:24] <Kev> 1) Roll call.
[15:04:37] <m&m> presente
[15:04:45] <Kev> I'm here.
[15:04:54] <Kev> MattJ?
[15:05:07] <Kev> ralphm?
[15:05:15] <Kev> Tobias sent apologies.
[15:05:33] <ralphm> Pong
[15:06:32] <Kev> No sign of other Matt, I've poked him directly too.
[15:06:54] <Kev> 2) http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0288.html
Move to Draft?
[15:06:54] <Kanchil> Kev: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0288.html:
XEP-0288: Bidirectional Server-to-Server Connections
[15:07:22] <Kev> I'll vote onlist for this.
[15:07:27] <m&m> same here
[15:08:17] <ralphm> yeah
[15:08:23] <Kev> I'm strongly tempted to write up a mock and implement 220/288 myself just so I can claim to understand them properly, but realistically I won't have time in the next fortnight and will vote 'blind'.
[15:08:54] <Kev> 3) http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0152.html
[15:08:55] <Kanchil> Kev: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0152.html:
XEP-0152: Reachability Addresses
[15:08:58] <MattJ> Eek, here
[15:09:00] <Kev> Move to Draft?
[15:09:04] <m&m> I'll vote onlist
[15:09:09] <MattJ> Had another meeting fullscreen and didn't realise the itme
[15:09:10] <MattJ> *time
[15:09:18] <ralphm> Kev: maybe I should give that an actual attempt, while in-between jobs
[15:09:41] <Kev> I'd like to request an extended LC for this - the LC has had no feedback and I could only find one comment from Lance going back a few months when Peter said he wanted to advance it saying "good" or thereabouts.
[15:10:01] <MattJ> Has anyone implemented it?
[15:10:12] <Kev> Lance said something like "It's solved several problems for us already".
[15:10:23] <ralphm> that's one implementation
[15:10:23] <MattJ> Ah, great
[15:10:32] <ralphm> don't we want two?
[15:10:40] <Kev> Want, yes. We don't require it until Final.
[15:10:51] <ralphm> ah, right
[15:10:55] <Kev> Thankfully, or there's no chance of me getting 289 to Draft :)
[15:10:57] <MattJ> It certainly seems like something that will solve problems - I'm actually not opposed to moving it on as-is
[15:11:27] <ralphm> MattJ: yeah
[15:11:29] <Kev> MattJ: So you think we shouldn't extend the LC until someone replies?
[15:12:00] <MattJ> Kev, well I'm not opposed to extending it, but I don't see that it's strictly necessary
[15:12:20] <MattJ> More feedback would always be nicer - do you think we'll get it?
[15:12:21] <m&m> I'm not opposed to extending either
[15:12:24] <MattJ> (excluding Lance)
[15:12:31] <Kev> Moving to Draft when absolutely no-one has spoken in the LC supporting the idea seems bad.
[15:12:54] <ralphm> Kev: good point
[15:12:57] <MattJ> Well extend it and poke Lance daily :)
[15:13:09] <Kev> All happy with that?
[15:13:16] *MattJ nods
[15:13:17] <m&m> I'll ask stpeter if he's aware of other interest
[15:13:22] <m&m> yes
[15:13:23] <Kev> m&m: Ta.
[15:13:40] <Kev> 4) http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/fis.html
Accept as Experimental?
[15:13:41] <Kanchil> Kev: http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/fis.html:
XEP-xxxx: File Information Sharing
[15:13:46] <m&m> hrm
[15:14:03] <Kev> I don't mind publishing this, although I have absolutely no idea what http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0254.html has to do with it :)
[15:14:04] <Kanchil> Kev: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0254.html:
XEP-0254: PubSub Queueing
[15:14:55] <MattJ> Heh, I think that might be a typo
[15:15:12] <Kev> Oh. That hadn't occurred to me, really :p
[15:15:42] <Kev> Anyone want to comment in-meeting, or is everyone else going onlist?
[15:15:58] <MattJ> I'll vote on-list
[15:16:05] <MattJ> Haven't read this version
[15:16:06] <ralphm> Not opposed
[15:16:18] <Kev> m&m?
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[15:16:25] <Kev> "hrm" wasn't clear to me :)
[15:16:32] <m&m> I did not get a chance to read through it before … I'll say something on list
[15:16:37] <Kev> Ta.
[15:16:46] <m&m> just that this almost feels like yet-another-file-sharing attempt
[15:16:51] <Kev> 5) http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/rayo.html
Accept as Experimental?
[15:16:52] <Kanchil> Kev: http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/rayo.html:
XEP-xxxx: Rayo
[15:16:59] <Kev> I've had no chance to read this, will post onlist.
[15:17:11] <m&m> same
[15:17:47] <MattJ> Me also
[15:18:03] <MattJ> I read an earlier draft, and it seemed sane (once the requirements were understood)
[15:18:15] <ralphm> http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0251.html was the reference, probably, by the way
[15:18:15] <Kanchil> ralphm: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0251.html:
XEP-0251: Jingle Session Transfer
[15:18:27] <Kev> ralphm: Yes, probably :)
[15:18:47] <Kev> ralphm: You onlist for RAYO?
[15:18:54] <ralphm> Yeah, it is looong
[15:18:57] <Kev> 6) http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/sensor-network-control.html
Accept as Experimental?
[15:18:58] <Kanchil> Kev: http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/sensor-network-control.html:
XEP-xxxx: Sensor Networks - Control
[15:19:02] <Kev> Onlist for me.
[15:19:09] <MattJ> Ditto
[15:19:27] <ralphm> AOL
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[15:19:34] <Kev> Morning Peter.
[15:19:36] <ralphm> hey stpeter
[15:19:50] <stpeter> sigh
[15:20:44] <ralphm> stpeter: what about making it a repeating event, pretty please?
[15:20:53] <Kev> m&m: You onlist for this one?
[15:21:00] <m&m> Kev: yes
[15:21:06] <Kev> 7) http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/sensor-network-concentrators.html
Accept as Experimental?
[15:21:08] <Kanchil> Kev: http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/sensor-network-concentrators.html:
XEP-xxxx: Sensor Networks - Concentrators
[15:21:09] <Kev> Onlist for me again.
[15:21:11] <m&m> one list
[15:21:13] <m&m> on list even
[15:21:14] <MattJ> Ditto
[15:21:16] <ralphm> AOL
[15:21:25] <Kev> 8) Next meeting.
[15:21:28] <Kev> I can't do usual time next week.
[15:21:31] <ralphm> SBTSBC
[15:21:33] <MattJ> I can :)
[15:21:34] <Kev> (Or most of next week, in fact).
[15:21:44] <Kev> You're welcome to meet without me, or postpone for a week.
[15:21:48] <m&m> I can, too (-:
[15:22:03] <ralphm> Let's just keep the slot
[15:22:07] <m&m> /nod
[15:22:10] <ralphm> maybe there'll be nothing anyway
[15:22:11] <Kev> OK. Who wants to chair?
[15:22:23] <m&m> I can
[15:22:25] *MattJ nominates m&m
[15:22:27] <Kev> OK.
[15:22:28] <ralphm> yay
[15:22:28] <m&m> hehe
[15:22:30] <MattJ> That settles it :)
[15:22:32] <Kev> m&m: Consider apologies sent.
[15:22:39] <m&m> Kev: noted
[15:22:41] <Kev> 9) Any other business?
[15:23:04] <MattJ> My quick comments on #2 as I was late...
[15:23:16] <MattJ> I'm +1, but think the security considerations need expanding
[15:23:31] <ralphm> If we can have the calendar event repeating or up-to-date?
[15:23:34] <MattJ> (the LC feedback was along those lines too)
[15:24:49] <Kev> ralphm: I don't know if it's possible to mark it repeating, but it seems sensible.
[15:25:00] <Kev> I think Tobias has been updating the calendar recently, so we can poke him.
[15:25:02] <Kev> AOAOB?
[15:25:11] <MattJ> No
[15:25:35] <m&m> nay
[15:25:39] <Kev> Jolly good.
[15:25:43] <Kev> Think we're done, then.
[15:25:46] <Kev> Thanks all.
[15:25:48] *Kev bangs the gavel.
[15:25:52] <MattJ> Thanks Kev
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[15:25:54] <ralphm> yay!
[15:26:01] <ralphm> Peter Waher: good timing!
[15:26:22] <Peter Waher> seems I missed everything
[15:26:34] <jabberjocke> anyone needs discussion on our xeps
[15:26:37] <Kev> Peter Waher: Or nothing. Most stuff will happen on list.
[15:26:41] <jabberjocke> while we are here both
[15:26:55] <Peter Waher> ok, sounds good :)
[15:27:20] <Peter Waher> I'm happy to respond to any questions, comments, suggestions, doubts anybody might have
[15:27:27] <jabberjocke> the wiki pages are evolving http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Tech_pages/IoT_systems
[15:27:29] <Kanchil> jabberjocke: http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Tech_pages/IoT_systems:
Tech pages/IoT systems - XMPP Wiki
[15:27:31] <Kev> Thanks. I've not read the new ones yet.
[15:28:33] <Peter Waher> ok
[15:28:51] <Peter Waher> anything, just mail me. I'll try to respond as quickly as possible
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[15:29:12] <Peter Waher> or by IM, Skype, etc.
[15:30:29] <ralphm> Skype!
[15:31:10] <jabberjocke> I apologize for my friend :)
[15:31:21] <Peter Waher> hehe, swearing in the church... :) Sorry.
[15:31:53] <Peter Waher> Skype would be better, if it used XMPP though. Let's convince them that's a good idea.
[15:32:57] <ralphm> Peter Waher: good luck with that
[15:33:08] <Kev> They nearly did.
[15:33:15] <ralphm> But if you manage that, more power to you!
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[15:33:27] <Kev> They approached Justin (of Psi) to see about using Psi when they were starting out, but they wrote their own thing instead.
[15:34:00] <Kev> Oh, it's that time. Need to duck out.
[15:36:13] <jabberjocke> when will date for the next summit be decided?
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[15:37:06] <ralphm> when the date for RealtimeConf is announced
[15:37:45] <ralphm> jabberjocke: so bug @yet for that :-D
[15:37:50] <ralphm> &yet even
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[15:42:56] <jabberjocke> ok would like to plan a IoT track, presenting the xep's etc.
[15:43:36] <jabberjocke> will ask him
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[15:46:18] <ralphm> nice
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[15:46:27] <stpeter> jabberjocke: probably in October
[15:46:34] <stpeter> jabberjocke: I'll ping the &yet folks about that
[15:46:53] <stpeter> jabberjocke: we don't really have tracks (usually), but we do assign time to various topics
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[15:56:05] <jabberjocke> It's a large subject, A presentation can be a good start, think hands on is needed also but thats perhaps another forum.
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