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XMPP Council Room | http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/xmpp-council/ | Room logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/council/ | https://trello.com/b/ww7zWMlI/xmpp-council-agenda

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[14:56:02] <psa> brb
[14:56:08] <Tobias> hehe
[14:56:32] <Zash> Is there a council meeting today?
[14:56:37] *Tobias fetches a coffee before the meeting begins
[14:56:49] <Zash> great idea
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[15:02:32] <m&m> Zash: Yes. Yes there is.
[15:03:14] <Zash> Missing calendar item?
[15:04:11] <psa> yeah we need to set it up as recurring
[15:04:11] *psa looks at the ical spec
[15:04:37] <Tobias> back
[15:04:39] <m&m> Ding ding dign
[15:04:42] <m&m> ding even
[15:04:54] <m&m> 1) Roll Call
[15:04:59] <Tobias> psa, right...it somehow got dropped from my mind
[15:05:02] *Tobias is there
[15:05:11] <MattJ_> Here
[15:05:20] <m&m> and I'm present
[15:05:25] <m&m> so there's at least quorum
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[15:05:44] <Tobias> and there goes our quorum
[15:05:46] <m&m> I've pinged ralphm, but he's auto-away
[15:05:49] <MattJ_> I'm here :)
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[15:05:53] <m&m> (-:
[15:05:56] <psa> heh
[15:06:04] <Tobias> MattJ_, ahh...my prepping removes _
[15:06:09] <MattJ> Ha
[15:06:21] <m&m> 2) http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/rayo.html
Accept as Experimental?
[15:06:23] <Kanchil> m&m: http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/rayo.html:
XEP-xxxx: Rayo
[15:07:18] <MattJ> What is it with all the loooong XEPs coming our way this term? :)
[15:07:19] <m&m> Yes, we did discuss this last week. No one has yet voiced a position
[15:07:29] <m&m> heh
[15:07:53] <m&m> apparently XMPP has hit the "mature" phase, and now people are doing "serious things" with it, or something (-:
[15:08:03] <MattJ> Scary
[15:08:11] <m&m> anyway, I've no objections to rayo
[15:08:23] <psa> m&m: yeah
[15:08:40] <Tobias> i understand the need for such a protocol
[15:08:57] <psa> I talked with the Rayo guys at realtimeconf back in October, BTW
[15:09:07] <Tobias> no objections from my side
[15:09:21] <m&m> MattJ?
[15:09:22] <MattJ> I'm still going to vote on list
[15:09:34] <m&m> note you now have a week
[15:09:39] <MattJ> Noted :)
[15:10:00] <m&m> 3) http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/sensor-network-control.html
Accept as Experimental?
[15:10:01] <Kanchil> m&m: http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/sensor-network-control.html:
XEP-xxxx: Sensor Networks - Control
[15:10:48] <MattJ> Ditto for me
[15:11:04] <Tobias> wonder why type has to be explicitly specified, can't it be deduced from the name?
[15:11:30] <psa> gosh I have a lot of specs to catch up on, haven't even read the EXI one yet :(
[15:12:13] <m&m> Tobias: I can see why type cannot always be inferred, but part of me wonders if this could have been data forms
[15:12:25] <m&m> however, I've no objections to publishing it as experimental
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[15:12:53] <Tobias> yeah...no objections to have it as experimental...at least then we have it under diff control
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[15:13:22] *psa nods to Tobias
[15:13:24] <m&m> and MattJ has one week to note on list
[15:13:26] <m&m> (-:
[15:13:30] <MattJ> Noted :)
[15:13:34] <m&m> 4) http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/sensor-network-concentrators.html
Accept as Experimental?
[15:13:35] <Kanchil> m&m: http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/sensor-network-concentrators.html:
XEP-xxxx: Sensor Networks - Concentrators
[15:13:50] <MattJ> ditto :)
[15:15:20] <m&m> no objections to being experimental from me
[15:15:42] <Tobias> none from me
[15:16:01] <Tobias> but i really think there's potential for abstractions (moving stuff out into smaller XEPs)
[15:16:15] <m&m> possibly
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[15:16:40] *m&m pre-notes MattJ's note on noting he has a week to decide (-:
[15:16:50] <m&m> 5) Date of Next Meeting
[15:17:13] <m&m> I think SBTSBC works for me
[15:17:29] <Tobias> sure...it's a holiday here but i'll probably have time
[15:17:58] *m&m notes that MattJ cannot simply note this one (-:
[15:18:11] *psa notes to Tobias that http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5545#section-3.3.10 is complicated
[15:18:12] <Kanchil> psa: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5545#section-3.3.10:
RFC 5545 - Internet Calendaring and Scheduling Core Object Specification (iCalendar)
[15:18:12] <MattJ> Next week is fine :)
[15:18:39] <m&m> alright … and maybe Tobias can add it to the calendar right now (-:
[15:18:45] *Zash notes that psa's note is correctly noted
[15:18:47] <m&m> 6) Any Other Business
[15:18:53] <Tobias> psa, indeed...that's probably why i drifted away from it....probably easier to just replicate the current set date in there + same day in the following X weeks :)
[15:19:37] <psa> nod
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[15:19:56] <m&m> I take there is no other business?
[15:20:18] <Tobias> none here
[15:20:28] <m&m> Note that today is Passive-Aggressive Wednesday
[15:20:36] <Tobias> what's that?
[15:21:26] <MattJ> None here
[15:21:37] <m&m> Tobias: mostly a joke, but the day in my office we get particularly snarky at each other (-:
[15:21:51] <m&m> ok then
[15:21:56] *m&m bangs gavel
[15:22:14] <Tobias> thanks m&m
[15:22:21] <m&m> Minutes will be delivered presently, such as they are
[15:22:25] <psa> Tobias: OK, I set up all the meetings for May in the calendar
[15:22:27] <MattJ> Thanks m&m :)
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[15:22:43] <m&m> psa: yay!
[15:22:52] <Tobias> psa, manually?
[15:23:02] <psa> 5 meetings in May
[15:23:12] <Tobias> okay...then i don't have to change the python script :)
[15:23:13] <psa> Tobias: yes, just separate events for now until we figure out recurrence
[15:23:42] <Zash> recurrence, but with exceptions ... the horror
[15:24:05] <MattJ> +1
[15:24:13] <m&m> yeah
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[15:24:47] <m&m> damn focus!
[15:31:09] <m&m> /sigh
[15:31:35] <m&m> could someone that oversees council@xmpp.org just delete the missive from mamille2@cisco.com? kthxbye
[15:32:09] <psa> yes
[15:32:26] <m&m> I like to pretend my XSF involvement is separated from my day job for some reason (-:
[15:32:27] <psa> can add that as an accept address
[15:32:44] <m&m> no, I would prefer it be quarantined
[15:33:49] <psa> actually it was automatically discarded, it seems
[15:34:08] <m&m> even better (-:
[15:34:30] <psa> heh ok
[15:34:47] <psa> time for a conference call here, bbiab
[15:34:52] <m&m> same here
[15:34:58] <psa> enjoy
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