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XMPP Council Room | http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/xmpp-council/ | Room logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/council/ | https://trello.com/b/ww7zWMlI/xmpp-council-agenda

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[12:49:09] <Kev> I thought I'd written myself a note of things for the agenda today, but I can't find it. Hrmm.
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[14:56:48] <stpeter> greetings
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[15:04:33] <Kev> Righty.
[15:04:39] <m&m> hola
[15:04:53] <Kev> Tobias send apologies last week, as I recall. Matt's just sent them on list.
[15:04:57] <Kev> 1) Roll Call.
[15:05:03] <ralphm> here
[15:05:14] <m&m> presente
[15:05:29] <Kev> By my reckoning there's nothing to discuss this week.
[15:05:37] <Kev> Anyone have fun ways I'm wrong?
[15:05:50] <m&m> I can't think of anything
[15:05:57] <stpeter> heh
[15:06:34] <Kev> In that case.
[15:06:39] <Kev> 2) Date of next meeting.
[15:06:56] <Kev> I can't do next week, but y'all can sure have a meeting without me if you like.
[15:07:11] <ralphm> I suggest just keeping on meeting every week
[15:07:20] <m&m> ralphm: works for me
[15:07:26] <Kev> m&m: Do you want to volunteer for your normal backup Kev routine?:)
[15:07:36] <ralphm> +!
[15:07:37] <m&m> sure (-:
[15:07:55] <Kev> Thanks.
[15:08:03] <m&m> it's less work than a IETF WG (-:
[15:08:11] <ralphm> no kidding
[15:08:13] <Kev> I tend to be lax about sending out minutes for meetings that don't have anything discussed in them. Does anyonecare about that?
[15:08:23] <stpeter> ralphm: weekly is good, I think
[15:08:48] <ralphm> Kev: nah
[15:09:04] <Kev> OK, thanks.
[15:09:14] <Kev> I suppose I should, really, to record attendance.
[15:09:22] <m&m> I also think just keeping it regularly scheduled is best
[15:09:22] <ralphm> ah right
[15:09:26] <ralphm> that reminds me
[15:09:29] <Kev> I only just thought about this.
[15:09:32] <Kev> 3) AOB
[15:09:32] <ralphm> there is a year missing in the vote tallies
[15:09:40] <m&m> ouch
[15:09:43] <stpeter> ralphm: really?!?
[15:09:43] <m&m> oh, AOB
[15:10:06] <m&m> note there is now a reservation at the IETF 87 venue for us
[15:10:09] <ralphm> http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/xmpp-council/seventh-council/
[15:10:53] <stpeter> hmm
[15:10:57] <stpeter> I'll check into it
[15:11:12] <ralphm> no hurry
[15:11:37] <Kev> m&m: What does that mean, for us mere non-IETF mortals?
[15:11:38] <stpeter> the data is in the database
[15:11:59] <ralphm> Kev: that you don't have to sit out on the street to meet up
[15:11:59] <stpeter> Kev: it means that m&m is having fun with the JSON WG :-)
[15:12:04] <m&m> haha
[15:12:21] <Kev> Excellent.
[15:12:22] <m&m> it means we likely have a spot for an XMPP Hackfest
[15:12:29] <m&m> in Berlin
[15:13:01] <ralphm> I am a bit sad, but I won't make it there. It is in the middle of my planned holiday.
[15:13:07] <stpeter> yeah
[15:13:15] <stpeter> sorry to hear it
[15:13:16] <m&m> arrgh
[15:13:34] <stpeter> but I'm thinking we'll do London next March, too
[15:13:42] <ralphm> To prevent that happening in the future, I've put the next three instances in my calendar
[15:13:48] <ralphm> indeed
[15:13:51] <stpeter> March 2014 - 89th IETF

March 2-7, 2014
Host: TBD
Location: London, England
[15:13:57] <ralphm> and Canada in November, I believe
[15:14:01] <stpeter> yes
[15:14:05] <Kev> Now, London is somewhat more interesting for me.
[15:14:22] <ralphm> Kev: really? Berlin is nice. Not far, too.
[15:14:32] <stpeter> and don't forget IETF 91 in Hawaii :-)
[15:14:43] <m&m> heh
[15:14:46] <ralphm> that'll be a busy one, I'd guess
[15:14:47] <Kev> ralphm: I don't travel well, but I'm in London a reasonable amount when I go to the office.
[15:15:09] <ralphm> Kev: I think you can still do Berlin by train :-D
[15:15:13] <Kev> Anyway, was there any Council action in amongst this anywhere? :)
[15:15:22] <ralphm> oh, we weren't done yet?
[15:15:22] <stpeter> given all the IETF meetings I've been to at Minneapolis in November and March, I think a trip to Hawaii is justified
[15:15:27] <stpeter> Kev: no :-)
[15:15:32] <Kev> Marvellous.
[15:15:37] <Kev> Thanks all!
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[15:15:45] <ralphm> stpeter: haha
[15:15:45] <m&m> gracias
[15:15:47] <ralphm> Thanks!
[15:15:57] <ralphm> Also, yay for RealtimeConf
[15:16:03] <m&m> noted
[15:16:16] <ralphm> Looking forward to that
[15:16:36] <stpeter> http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/xmpp-council/seventh-council/ fixed
[15:16:47] <stpeter> I had only ever saved it as a draft
[15:16:50] <stpeter> and never published it
[15:17:16] <stpeter> well, "I" or someone else like Will (whoever worked on copying over those pages)
[15:17:42] <ralphm> :-D
[15:20:48] <Kev> Grrrr. It annoys me the way that recruiters using LinkedIn send whatever the LI equivalent of friends requests are, with no way for you to reply unless you accept them.
[15:21:15] <Kev> I do not know these people, they are not part of my professional network!
[15:21:29] <m&m> +∞
[15:21:57] <ralphm> why reply anyway
[15:22:38] <ralphm> I have better things to worry about
[15:22:53] <Kev> ralphm: Well, it'd be nice to at least say "I'm happy where I am, but if you're prepared to offer me all the gold I can eat I'd consider it".
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[15:23:17] <Kev> And my general sense of niceness makes it uncomfortable not answering them.
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[15:23:23] <ralphm> Kev: yeah, I'm sure they'd use LinkedIn to reach out to you for that
[15:24:27] <ralphm> in general, I consider them on equal footing with telemarketeers
[15:24:49] <Kev> Heh. I don't, largely because I've opted out of receiving telemarketing, and my LI profile says I'm up for job offers.
[15:25:00] <ralphm> well, there you go
[15:25:10] <Kev> It's not receiving the pokes that bothers me, just that they way they do it isn't helpful.
[15:25:33] <m&m> right
[15:25:38] <m&m> messages are one thing
[15:25:39] <ralphm> Agreed
[15:25:47] <m&m> "friend" requests are quite another
[15:25:53] <Kev> Anyway. Not the biggest irritation in life, just that I had another one just then and I got frustrated.
[15:26:12] <m&m> I think I have about a dozen I've been ignoring
[15:26:20] <ralphm> m&m: yeah
[15:26:28] <Kev> I'm only on about half that, now I feel unpopular :(
[15:26:43] <m&m> well, if you traveled more … (-:
[15:26:53] <ralphm> Similarly, I often get people adding me because they know of me
[15:27:00] <m&m> /nod
[15:27:08] <ralphm> but who I probably never communicated with
[15:27:18] <Kev> The most recent one seems quite relevant, relatively. C++, local area. Much better than the normal, which is "Could I interest you in a move to (Insert City Here)".
[15:27:19] <m&m> although not often for me … now *I* feel unpopular
[15:28:03] <Kev> Ralph is the social center of the world.
[15:28:04] <Kev> Dammit.
[15:28:15] <m&m> well, he is a lot of fun to drink beer with
[15:28:34] <ralphm> m&m: that's the key
[15:28:43] <ralphm> haha
[15:29:27] <ralphm> now I am sad, because I won't be doing that in Berlin
[15:30:12] <stpeter> you guys are still yammering on here?
[15:30:20] <m&m> evidently
[15:30:22] <stpeter> :)
[15:31:09] <Kev> It's more fun than doing real work.
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[15:33:20] <ralphm> I thought Yammer removed XMPP support
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[15:35:17] <ralphm> Kev: by the way, cool this: https://twitter.com/definitivekev/statuses/344807063836319744
[15:36:05] <ralphm> Kev: were both endpoints using that code, or did you have a native client, too?
[15:36:31] <Kev> ralphm: Both clients were viewing the same web client, communicating with isode.com over BOSH.
[15:36:43] <ralphm> right
[15:36:44] <Kev> ralphm: And the web client was Fippo's MUC example from his repo.
[15:37:02] <ralphm> nice!
[15:37:12] <Kev> I don't think it's quite production ready (the MUC example), but it's very cool, and it's great that they open sourced this.
[15:37:20] <Zash> I've tried it with two peers
[15:37:33] <Kev> I really really want to put VVOIP into Swift now. I just need that TARDIS.
[15:38:13] <ralphm> heh
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[16:10:28] <Kev> Can I submit an errata for the errata? It says "not mistakenly", when it should read "mistakenly not" :D
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[17:36:38] <ralphm> Kev: hehe, I thought the same thing
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