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XMPP Council Room | https://xmpp.org/about/xmpp-standards-foundation#council | Room logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/council/ | https://trello.com/b/ww7zWMlI/xmpp-council-agenda

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[14:16:52] <Tobias> 15:10 UTC is what in CEST? 17:10
[14:16:54] <Tobias> ?
[14:17:44] <Kev> If CEST is UTC+2, then yes :D
[14:17:44] <Kev> I think CEST is BST+1, in which case, yes.
[14:20:09] <MattJ> http://lmddgtfy.net/?q=15:10 UTC in CEST
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[14:49:15] <ralphm> I always find it amusing how highly skilled technical people fail at timezones.
[14:49:32] <ralphm> (and programming VCRs)
[14:49:54] <Kev> ralphm: Although everyone above got the right answer.
[14:51:08] <Tobias> Kev, maybe we don't fall in the highly skilled technical people category :)
[14:53:42] <Kev> :(
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[15:18:39] <Kev> You know, I think I'm coming up to a third through reviewing 301 already. And it's only been an hour or two.
[15:18:52] <Kev> It's a wonder I didn't find time for this before :s
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[15:46:58] <Kev> 50%. Tearing through!
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[16:18:17] <Kev> Golly. Security considerations mentions timing attacks based on keypress transmission. I hadn't thought of that, and that's a really fun attack vector :D
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[17:17:38] <ralphm> Kev: :-)
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[17:51:00] <Kev> I'm not sure that 'refer to the implementations if the spec isn't clear' is a good approach to spec writing!
[17:52:03] <MattJ> Heh
[17:52:51] <Kev> I'm really not convinced I should need to use their implementation (or even that it's a good idea) to be able to review the XEP.
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[18:11:55] <ralphm> +1
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[20:26:51] <Kev> I've raised the point of using normative language for MUST NOT spam people with RTT if they don't support it. I'd appreciate it if some well-informed people could express an opinion too, please.
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[21:26:39] <ralphm> Kev: I'm not entirely sure why this is not obvious.
[21:27:28] <ralphm> Kev: We invented disco and pubsub and all that for this.
[21:29:23] <ralphm> (so +1 on the MUST NOT)
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