KevI haven't seen any new items. Unless I missed some.
KevI haven't got as far as last week's minutes yet. Nor the week before's.
KevI need a holiday.
TobiasRECOMMENDED is qual to SHOULD, right?
KevRight. That's minutes done, at least.
MattJI'm heading out, I should be back before the meeting, but if I'm not then I might be late. If I'm not late and don't make it at all then consider this a provisional apology :)
KevHow are people's reviews of 301 coming along? :)
KevYou should. It's a blast.
TobiasKev, about 70% through
MattJ(I'm back by the way)
MattJI want to implement 301
KevIn the server?
MattJThe PDF version is 43 pages!!!
KevRemember that I've reviewed this many many times by now.
KevYou're getting off lightly :p
TobiasMattJ, last 3rd is just usecase/examples :)
stpeteryes, Kev provided lots of reviews on 301!
KevHarpier cries "'tis time, 'tis time"
Kev1) Roll call.
KevI have poked Ralph.
KevI don't think we have any voting items this meeting.
Kevstpeter: Were you able to persuade anyone that they should comment on reachability?
stpeterKev: ah, that fell through the cracks
stpeterwill do now
KevDid I miss any voting items?
KevI have votes ready for several of the draft things, which I'll send to list.
m&mnot that I can think of
stpeterI think not
stpeterfippo and I did update XEP-0220
KevI'm hoping other people will complete their 301 reviews and save me doing a full review again :)
KevOn which topic, I'm starting to just give in just to get it over with.
stpeterI'll revew 301 again, too -- I've reviewed it only twice, not umpteen times like Kev ;-)
KevHopefully someone else has more energy and can see if it's ready and avoid me having to send my jaded views.
stpeteryes, fresh eyes will be helpful
KevOne of their responses that I didn't think the normatives were right was to change a SHOULD to a RECOMMENDED.
KevAnd I don't really think SHOULD NOT is strong enough for not spamming someone when they've not confirmed support yet.
m&mat least a couple of us will review
KevI know they're keen to be allowed to just send RTT all the time to everyone because it's important to them, but I'm somewhat concerned that the reaction if that starts happening much is just to configure servers to block the payloads.
m&mit's happened before
Tobiasm&m, with what?
m&mthere were some private servers I'm aware of that preventing disco to user accounts
KevAnyway, I'm rambling.
m&mand IBB has been prevented on some networks occasionally
KevNext week is bad for me, but y'all can meet without me if you like.
m&mworks for me
KevI'd be very grateful if someone else would like to volunteer to write up minutes for this. I'm running at ~= mental capacity at the moment.
m&msure, why not
KevAny other business?
KevIs everyone intending re-running next year, or anyone having a rest (which sounds quite appealing right now)?
stpeteris the Jingle team going to come up with any recommendations? I suppose I'll poke that list...
MattJKev, I'm running, and I'm going to encourage a number of others too as well
KevI don't know. We explicitly moved that away from being a Council responsibility because we didn't have time, I think :)
TobiasKev, i'll probably too
stpeterI'm always in favor of new faces / nicks
KevI'm undecided, partly because I think new blood is healthy, and partly because having applications while I'm exhausted isn't encouraging :)
m&mas far as current actions … I'm not sure I'd be able to get through the entire list of votes before the fortnight is up
stpeterKev: I think you deserve a rest
KevOK, AOB: Extending voting period on votes to draft for an extra week.
m&mit's going to take a week just for −301 (-:
KevTwo days, usually, for me.
KevMattJ / Tobias: ?
KevThat's a majority, good enough.
m&mthat moves the vote deadline to 2013-09-18
Kevm&m: That enough for you?
m&madds a plethora of TODOs
m&mI think so, yes
m&mfor the XMPP-WG
m&mnote that draft-moffitt-xmpp-websocket is to be an official WG item
MattJGood to see websockets moving :)
m&mso, get those comments in!
stpeteryes, I need to provide more comments on that one
Kevm&m: I'd like to review and comment on this, but I don't think anyone should expect me to realisticallyget to it.
m&mas long as some of us here get through it
KevOK, I think that's us done?
stpeterstupidly committed to reviewing http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mmusic-rfc2326bis-35 -- all 320 pages (!)
draft-ietf-mmusic-rfc2326bis-35 - Real Time Streaming Protocol 2.0 (RTSP)
stpeterI might need to retire from the AppsDir at the IETF
Kevstpeter: That was foolish.
m&mstpeter: isn't mmusic RAI?
stpeteroh and BTW the PRECIS specs are in Working Group Last Call