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XMPP Council Room | https://xmpp.org/about/xmpp-standards-foundation#council | Room logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/council/ | https://trello.com/b/ww7zWMlI/xmpp-council-agenda

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[15:06:09] <stpeter> ah nice, I found a room called "Solace" :-)
[15:06:41] <ralphm> :-D
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[15:07:28] <m&m> T - 5 minutes
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[15:12:32] <Kev> And ding.
[15:12:35] <Kev> 1) Roll call.
[15:12:37] <Kev> I'm here!
[15:12:47] *Tobias too
[15:12:48] <m&m> presente
[15:12:57] <Tobias> invited mattj
[15:13:24] <Kev> Tobias: By just dragging him to the window? :)
[15:13:35] <ralphm> here
[15:13:53] <Tobias> Kev, how else would one do it? :)
[15:13:59] <Kev> Right.
[15:14:04] <Kev> But in his absence...
[15:14:11] <Kev> 2) XEP-0301.
Move to Draft?
[15:14:26] <Kev> I think everyone's comments have now been addressed and this needs a revote.
[15:14:37] <Kev> And I need to give it a re-read first.
[15:15:08] <stpeter> it's the re-XEP -- review, revise, repost, reread
[15:15:12] <m&m> I did re-read, and I'm +1
[15:15:24] <Kev> Excellent.
[15:15:25] <Tobias> i'm +1 too, my issue got addressed
[15:15:37] <m&m> I'm not going to nit any further; I'll send the list to the XEP editor
[15:15:49] <m&m> things like using typographer's quotes
[15:15:55] <Kev> m&m: Requiring them to change the English grammar for American was just harsh :p
[15:15:56] <m&m> super ultra mega minor
[15:16:10] <m&m> ASCII should have been good enough for everyone! (-:
[15:16:13] <stpeter> yeah I can clean up some of the minor issues
[15:16:22] <Kev> ralphm: ?
[15:16:47] <ralphm> Yeah, it looks good to me. +1
[15:16:52] <Kev> Fab.
[15:16:57] <Kev> I think that was our only voting item.
[15:17:00] <Kev> 3) Date of next.
[15:17:25] <m&m> SBTSBC WFM
[15:17:40] <Kev> Excellent.
[15:17:41] *stpeter updates http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/xmpp-council/twelfth-council/ in real time
[15:17:42] <Kanchil> stpeter: http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/xmpp-council/twelfth-council/:
Twelfth Council – The XMPP Standards Foundation
[15:17:45] <Kev> 4) AOB.
[15:17:49] <Tobias> wfm
[15:17:53] <stpeter> OB
[15:17:54] <Kev> I have an outstanding +1 from 297, which I'll leave here.
[15:17:59] <m&m> the Council and Board nominees are still light
[15:18:05] <stpeter> Kev: you are +1 on 297?
[15:18:11] <Kev> stpeter: Yes.
[15:18:13] <stpeter> Tobias: did you vote on 220?
[15:18:14] <Tobias> i'll add mine till the end of the week
[15:18:24] <Tobias> stpeter, didn't i reply on list?
[15:18:32] <stpeter> Tobias: maybe I missed it
[15:18:40] <Kev> Matt and Tobias both said they were intending standing for Council and haven't yet.
[15:18:47] <Kev> I don't recall, but I think Ralph said the same?
[15:18:57] <ralphm> yes
[15:18:59] <m&m> Lance still hasn't completed the form (-:
[15:19:05] *m&m notes to pester him again
[15:19:16] <Tobias> stpeter, you even replied to the mail :)
[15:19:25] <stpeter> Tobias: ouch
[15:19:29] <Tobias> but you probably replied to a lot mails that day
[15:19:36] <Tobias> :)
[15:19:44] <stpeter> ah, i see, yes
[15:19:51] <stpeter> n/m then
[15:20:32] <Kev> m&m: Were you suggesting there's something Council needs to do about the lists standing?
[15:20:52] <m&m> just make sure you fill out your nomination if you're running again
[15:21:21] <m&m> proxy voting starts in less than a fortnight!
[15:21:22] <ralphm> m&m: come on man, I still have 12 days!
[15:21:24] <Kev> OK. AOAOB?
[15:21:39] <ralphm> m&m: keeping things exciting
[15:21:45] <stpeter> voting tally updated again, will process those documents today
[15:21:54] <m&m> stpeter: thank you
[15:21:57] <Kev> stpeter: Thanks.
[15:22:01] <stpeter> sure thing
[15:22:06] <Kev> OK, we're done then?
[15:22:11] <Kev> Thanks all.
[15:22:12] <stpeter> seems so
[15:22:14] *Kev bangs the gavel.
[15:22:17] <m&m> ciao
[15:22:43] <Tobias> adiĆ³s
[15:22:52] *stpeter processes XEPs before his next conference call
[15:23:13] <ralphm> thanks!
[15:23:15] <ralphm> houdoe!
[15:23:49] <stpeter> Tobias: actually, I had advanced XEP-0220 but neglected to update the tally page ;-)
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[15:24:49] <stpeter> I still don't know why I'm an author in 297 :P
[15:25:02] <Kev> I guess Matt added you.
[15:25:32] <stpeter> I guess I might remove myself ;-)
[15:25:39] <Tobias> hehe
[15:27:19] <Kev> stpeter: You're an author because you added yourself in version 0.5, commit 67282456 :)
[15:27:57] <Kev> Although I suspect the diff was Matt's, given the changelog.
[15:28:04] <stpeter> nod
[15:28:10] <stpeter> I wrote the schema
[15:28:13] <stpeter> but that's trivial
[15:29:09] <Kev> stpeter: If you /want/ to, you can fake other people's authorship of commits in Git.
[15:29:25] <Kev> So if people send you a patch, but you have to apply it, you can do so in their name.
[15:29:34] <stpeter> true, although I could fake a lot of stuff if I wanted to
[15:29:47] <Kev> I meant that this might be a useful thing to fake :)
[15:30:09] <stpeter> actually XEP-0297 is missing the registrar section
[15:30:13] *stpeter adds
[15:33:43] <ralphm> Kev: but wait, git has a feature that makes it possible to differentiate between author and committer. No need to fake.
[15:34:07] <Kev> ralphm: I don't think you're addressing the use case that I was suggesting.
[15:34:47] <Kev> The problem isn't knowing that it was Peter who pushed other people's Git patches. It's knowing who sent the diff when Peter has to apply a diff and create a git commit from it.
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[15:35:33] <Kev> (Because people send Peter diffs, rather than the result of git format-patch)
[15:35:44] <Kev> If people send git format-patch, then all is well with the world.
[15:36:15] <ralphm> Kev: git commit --author
[15:36:31] <Kev> Indeed. Which is the faking of the author of a commit that I was suggesting Peter does.
[15:36:48] <Kev> It would have been quicker to say "I agree with Kev" :D
[15:36:54] <ralphm> that's not faking, that's setting the metadata properly
[15:37:06] <ralphm> see what I object to?
[15:37:27] <ralphm> you call it faking, I am saying this feature was explicitly created for this use case
[15:38:39] <Kev> Yes. You're agreeing with me, but arguing with the words I used to express the opinion you agree with :D
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[15:39:31] <ralphm> Kev: yeah, that's what I do.
[15:39:52] <ralphm> Kev: should sound familiar :-D
[15:40:06] <Kev> As long as we're agreed on that.
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