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XMPP Council Room | https://xmpp.org/about/xmpp-standards-foundation#council | Room logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/council/ | https://trello.com/b/ww7zWMlI/xmpp-council-agenda

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[16:09:17] <Kev> And five minutes to spare. Excellent.
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[16:13:05] <stpeter> hi!
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[16:13:16] <Kev> Howdy.
[16:13:27] <Kev> 'Tis time, tis time.
[16:13:30] <Kev> 1) Roll call.
[16:13:31] <stpeter> yepper!
[16:13:37] <Lance> here
[16:13:38] <Kev> I am here.
[16:13:39] <ralphm> here
[16:13:47] <fippo> here
[16:13:59] <Tobias> here
[16:14:00] <MattJ> Here
[16:14:04] <Kev> Fabulous.
[16:14:15] <Kev> 2) Welcome
[16:14:25] <Kev> Hi all, welcome to class of 2013. Or 2014. Or something.
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[16:14:37] <Kev> 3) New Chair.
[16:14:48] <stpeter> the lucky 13th council :-)
[16:14:48] <Kev> We should choose a chair. I'm happy to do it again, or does anyone else fancy it?
[16:14:58] <MattJ> stpeter, uh-oh :)
[16:15:03] <m&m> heh
[16:15:15] <Tobias> Kev, what does it involve, other than running the meeting and posting minutes?
[16:15:22] <stpeter> triskaidekaphobics beware!
[16:15:33] <m&m> Tobias: running the meeting and posting minutes
[16:15:35] <Kev> That, keeping track of what needs to go on the agenda, pretty much.
[16:15:38] <MattJ> Kev, you were getting rather busy towards the end of the term - sure you can manage it? If yes, I'm happy with you as chair
[16:15:45] <Kev> Trying to keep to time, etc.
[16:16:08] <Kev> MattJ: Yeah. I need to get less busy than I was for my sanity as much as anything else. But I think things are better now.
[16:16:21] <Tobias> ah..ok
[16:16:32] <Kev> And will be better soon once I get a Swift hire :D
[16:16:36] <Lance> I'm happy with Kev as chair if he's up to it
[16:16:50] <fippo> '+1 for ke as chair
[16:16:54] <stpeter> Kev: indeed
[16:17:06] <Tobias> i'm happy with Kev, if he has the time for it
[16:17:11] <Kev> Fab, ta.
[16:17:30] <Kev> 4) 156.
Peter wanted to talk about this.
[16:17:43] <stpeter> and Kevin Smith survives the no-confidence vote! ;-)
[16:18:05] <stpeter> oh yes
[16:18:07] <stpeter> 156
[16:18:08] <stpeter> so
[16:18:16] <Tobias> that was the alternative connection one, right?
[16:18:17] <stpeter> the XMPP Over Websocket references 156
[16:18:19] <stpeter> yes
[16:18:30] <Kev> XEP-0156: Discovering Alternative XMPP Connection Methods
http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0156.html
[16:18:32] <stpeter> Lance and I have provisionally updated it to also have a web method
[16:18:32] <Kanchil> Kev: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0156.html:
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[16:18:47] <stpeter> instead of the DNS TXT method (ick)
[16:18:59] <stpeter> http://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0156-1.1.html
[16:19:00] <Kanchil> stpeter: http://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0156-1.1.html:
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[16:19:05] <Lance> Primarily because in a browser, we can't do DNS lookups
[16:19:12] <stpeter> http://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0156-1.1.html#http
[16:19:13] <Kanchil> stpeter: http://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0156-1.1.html#http:
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[16:19:14] <Kanchil> Kanchil: http://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0156-1.1.html#http::
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[16:19:15] <Kanchil> Kanchil: http://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0156-1.1.html#http:::
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[16:19:16] <Kanchil> Kanchil: http://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0156-1.1.html#http::::
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[16:19:17] <Kanchil> Kanchil: http://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0156-1.1.html#http:::::
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[16:19:17] <stpeter> heh
[16:19:17] <Kanchil> Kanchil: http://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0156-1.1.html#http::::::
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[16:19:18] <Kanchil> Kanchil: http://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0156-1.1.html#http:::::::
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[16:19:19] <Kanchil> Kanchil: http://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0156-1.1.html#http::::::::
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[16:19:21] <Kanchil> Kanchil: http://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0156-1.1.html#http::::::::::
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[16:19:22] <Kanchil> Kanchil: http://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0156-1.1.html#http:::::::::::
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[16:19:22] <Kanchil> Kanchil: http://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0156-1.1.html#http::::::::::::
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[16:19:23] <Kanchil> Kanchil: http://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0156-1.1.html#http:::::::::::::
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[16:19:24] <Kanchil> Kanchil: http://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0156-1.1.html#http::::::::::::::
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[16:19:25] <Kanchil> Kanchil: http://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0156-1.1.html#http:::::::::::::::
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[16:19:26] <Kanchil> Kanchil: http://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0156-1.1.html#http::::::::::::::::
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[16:19:27] <Kanchil> Kanchil: http://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0156-1.1.html#http:::::::::::::::::
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[16:19:27] <Kanchil> Kanchil: http://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0156-1.1.html#http::::::::::::::::::
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[16:19:28] <Kanchil> Kanchil: http://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0156-1.1.html#http:::::::::::::::::::
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[16:19:30] <Kanchil> Kanchil: http://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0156-1.1.html#http:::::::::::::::::::::
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[16:19:31] <Kanchil> Kanchil: http://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0156-1.1.html#http::::::::::::::::::::::
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[16:19:32] <Kanchil> Kanchil: http://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0156-1.1.html#http:::::::::::::::::::::::
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[16:19:32] <Kanchil> Kanchil: http://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0156-1.1.html#http::::::::::::::::::::::::
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[16:19:33] <stpeter> kick the bot!
[16:19:33] <Kanchil> Kanchil: http://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0156-1.1.html#http:::::::::::::::::::::::::
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[16:19:34] <Kev> I don't have rights to kick.
[16:19:34] <Kanchil> Kanchil: http://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0156-1.1.html#http::::::::::::::::::::::::::
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[16:19:35] <Kanchil> Kanchil: http://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0156-1.1.html#http:::::::::::::::::::::::::::
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[16:19:36] <Kanchil> Kanchil: http://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0156-1.1.html#http::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
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[16:19:36] <Kev> BRB.
[16:19:36] <Kanchil> Kanchil: http://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0156-1.1.html#http:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
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[16:19:37] <Kanchil> Kanchil: http://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0156-1.1.html#http::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
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[16:19:38] <Kanchil> Kanchil: http://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0156-1.1.html#http:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
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[16:19:39] <Kanchil> Kanchil: http://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0156-1.1.html#http::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
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[16:20:02] <Kev> Destroyed the process.
[16:20:03] <stpeter> yay
[16:20:13] <m&m> whew
[16:20:17] <stpeter> ok
[16:20:17] <ralphm> (as a side remark, it would be pretty helpful if people would include titles along with XEP numeric references in e-mail (subjects))
[16:20:19] <stpeter> as I was saying
[16:20:22] <m&m> our long nightmare is over
[16:20:34] <stpeter> so
[16:20:35] <m&m> ralphm: +1
[16:20:35] <ralphm> revenge of the colon
[16:20:35] <fippo> ralphm: or the shortname at least
[16:20:47] <Kev> So, I'm not able to demote, which seems like it might be a Prosody bug and we should upgrade. And I should fix Kanchil.
[16:20:59] <stpeter> Ben Campbell (XMPP WG chair) mentioned that the 156 reference only talks about DNS TXT now
[16:21:01] <stpeter> which we'll fix
[16:21:08] <ralphm> right
[16:21:15] <stpeter> the question is how to handle the WebSocket-related registrations
[16:21:49] <stpeter> I'm inclined to leave 156 as it will be, but register the WebSocket entries from the RFC instead of putting them directly into 156
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[16:22:15] <stpeter> because all 156 1.1 does is say "here's a format for the URIs"
[16:22:21] <Kev> So leave 156 with the 1.1 .well-known stuff.
[16:22:42] <stpeter> in fact, I think the XMPP Over WebSocket RFC can register its desired .well-known URI directly with IANA, now that I think about it
[16:22:42] <stpeter> yes
[16:22:52] <Kev> stpeter: And by 'registrations' you mean the protocol registrations, not user registration.
[16:23:07] <ralphm> stpeter: so the XMPP Registrar doesn't need to be involved
[16:23:10] <stpeter> I mean urn:xmpp:alt-connections:websocket
[16:23:28] <stpeter> sorry, I mis-spoke
[16:23:31] <Kev> Right. And that just goes into the links in 156, right?
[16:23:39] <stpeter> yes
[16:23:47] <stpeter> as 156 1.1 says:

Because the link relations specified here are extension relation types rather than registered relation types (see Section 4 of RFC 5988), this document requires no interaction with the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) [9].

[16:23:47] <Kev> So I think this is orthogonal to 156.
[16:24:31] <Kev> Ah, well, that's slightly inconvenient, but not a problem, I think. Websockets-xmpp can just give the right URI.
[16:24:43] <stpeter> so I think the X.O.W. RFC can register urn:xmpp:alt-connections:websocket with the XMPP Registrar, which is novel at least
[16:25:04] <ralphm> well, we can just add a back reference in the registry
[16:25:10] <m&m> given some of the discussion in past XMPP WG sessions (notably the lack of SRV in a number of registrars), would it be worth adding the equivalents for the existing SRV-based one?
[16:25:11] <ralphm> that seems fine to me
[16:25:19] <Kev> stpeter: Or we just allow free use of URIs in 156.
[16:25:20] <ralphm> yay for distributed standardization
[16:25:26] <stpeter> or of course the IETF could define its own URIs
[16:25:31] <stpeter> Kev: "free use"?
[16:25:52] <Kev> Not say these are special extension relation types, and allow more than
urn:xmpp:alt-connections:httppoll
urn:xmpp:alt-connections:websocket
urn:xmpp:alt-connections:xbosh
[16:25:58] <stpeter> ah
[16:26:02] <stpeter> sure
[16:26:14] <Kev> But I'm fine with XOW registering too, I think it's a non-issue.
[16:26:20] <stpeter> agreed
[16:26:23] <stpeter> moving on, then?
[16:26:25] <Lance> which is already the case. 156 is using the host-meta file, which would potentially include other services
[16:26:25] <Kev> And we don't have so many of these that we seem to have scalability problems.
[16:26:32] <stpeter> Kev: right
[16:26:36] <ralphm> I'm sure our Registrar doesn't mind adding one or two things later
[16:26:46] <stpeter> Lance and I can communicate this to the XMPP WG on Friday
[16:26:50] <Kev> Fab, ta.
[16:26:58] <Kev> Moving along, then.
[16:27:17] <Kev> 5) http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/xmpp-council/
Can people send their new bios along to someone with write access to that page, please?
[16:27:25] <Kev> I have a bad feeling that I have write access, and so that could be me.
[16:27:53] <Kev> I'm looking for an ack :)
[16:27:57] <Lance> will do
[16:28:01] <fippo> ack.
[16:28:13] <Kev> Good enough.
[16:28:19] <stpeter> if your don't write your own, I write 'em for you
[16:28:23] <stpeter> beware
[16:28:24] <ralphm> heh
[16:28:33] <Kev> 6) 300 (hashes)
Fippo?
[16:28:37] <ralphm> I just noticed that I actually served 9 terms.
[16:28:53] <m&m> ralphm: longest running!
[16:29:00] <fippo> right... i would like to get 0300 to draft
[16:29:07] <m&m> fippo: +1
[16:29:12] <Kev> As-is, or do we need changes?
[16:29:19] <fippo> it seems well written and it would solve a problem i in 0320
[16:29:33] <stpeter> I haven't looked at it in a while
[16:29:51] <fippo> as-is. there has been little (or rather no) feedback on standards@
[16:29:54] <Kev> OK. Shall we shove LC onto the agenda for next meeting, then?
[16:30:08] <fippo> but matt miller has something in the works which will use it, too
[16:30:09] <m&m> I agree with fippo
[16:30:09] <Kev> stpeter: You happy with reinstating it without changes, or do we need to make a dummy change to move back to Experimental?
[16:30:09] <stpeter> as I recall, it didn't solve the problem for all XMPP extensions, but it would be useful for new ones
[16:30:30] <Lance> I seem to recall some issue with 300, I'll double check and post if that's true
[16:30:38] <Kev> Lance: OK, ta.
[16:30:40] <stpeter> thanks
[16:30:46] <stpeter> I shall review it again as well
[16:30:55] <Kev> Right.I think that was it for this meeting.
[16:30:57] <Kev> 7) Date of next.
[16:31:01] <stpeter> during the Pervasive Surveillance discussion this morning at the IETF meeting
[16:31:02] <m&m> at one point I wanted some way of having a convention for within data forms, but that's not very important to me anymore
[16:31:06] <stpeter> which should be quite entertaining :-)
[16:31:06] <Kev> Next week is one of my 'not good for me' weeks.
[16:31:19] <stpeter> live streaming will be available :-)
[16:31:39] <stpeter> I'll be on a plane next week
[16:31:48] <Kev> Would anyone like a meeting without me, or skip a week?
[16:32:13] <Kev> I'm proposing 16:10Z 20th November.
[16:32:16] <stpeter> WFM
[16:32:31] <fippo> WFM -- no urgent issues
[16:32:34] <Lance> wfm
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[16:32:42] <Kev> MattJ/Tobias?
[16:32:55] <Tobias> wfm
[16:33:05] <Kev> Dangerously close to time here :)
[16:33:13] <Kev> OK, let's assume MattJ is OK too.
[16:33:17] <Kev> 8) AOB?
[16:33:21] <stpeter> AOB ... Lance was good enough to gather all the BOSH changes into a single patch, so I will apply that for review by the Council (124 + 206)
[16:33:44] <Kev> I saw that note, I just didn't think it needed discussion until the patch was out :)
[16:33:51] <stpeter> yep
[16:33:59] <Kev> Anything else?
[16:34:17] <stpeter> nothing here, I think
[16:34:22] <Kev> Good enough!
[16:34:28] <Kev> A minute over, don't want to make a habit of this :)
[16:34:30] <Kev> Thanks all.
[16:34:31] <ralphm> :-D
[16:34:33] *Kev bangs the gavel.
[16:34:33] <m&m> hehe
[16:34:37] <Tobias> thank you
[16:34:48] <stpeter> good first meeting
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[16:35:04] <ralphm> I blame it on Kanchil
[16:35:07] <m&m> ralph and me are Waldorf and Statler
[16:35:15] <fippo> ralphm: it looked like a silo...
[16:35:20] <MattJ> Sorry folks, power (and my router) went off
[16:35:45] <ralphm> m&m: They aren’t half bad.
[16:35:59] <m&m> they aren't half good either!
[16:36:00] <Kev> Everyone loves those guys.
[16:36:01] <m&m> HAR HAR HAR HAR
[16:37:48] *stpeter looks at XEP-0300
[16:38:28] <fippo> stpeter: arguably base64 is better than something like 02:1A:CC:54:27:AB:EB:9C:53:3F:3E:4B:65:2E:7D:46:3F:54:42:CD:54:F1:7A:03:A2:7D:F9:B0:7F:46:19:B2
[16:38:56] <Lance> ah, found the issue, and looks like it was resolved. it was use of urn:xmpp:hash-function-textual-names vs urn:xmpp:hash-function-text-names
[16:39:08] <Tobias> but what form of base64 ^^
[16:39:20] <Lance> previous version was using both, but latest uses the '-text-' version only
[16:39:29] <fippo> i think it needs a sentence which describes that this is the base64 of the raw output something (i need to look it up) of the hash
[16:39:46] <MattJ> XEP-0115 has some text for that
[16:40:33] <fippo> right, in 5.1 bullet 9. perfect
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[16:42:29] <stpeter> I wonder if "These recommendations ought to be reviewed yearly by the XMPP Council" is a bit optimistic
[16:43:14] <ralphm> looks nice and vague to me :-D
[16:43:49] <stpeter> it is possible that URNs like "urn:iana:hash-function-text-names:md5" (not urn:xmpp) might be minted at some point
[16:43:56] <Kev> I don't know. Council seem able to turn up to their meetings, which is beating 60% of the new Board :)
[16:43:56] <stpeter> I was working with IANA on that for a while
[16:44:02] <stpeter> heh
[16:44:09] <stpeter> oh is there a Board meeting now? yikes
[16:44:20] <ralphm> stpeter: well, not yet, I suppose :-(
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[16:50:07] <stpeter> hmm
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[17:07:34] <stpeter> BTW the IETF plenary is live streamed at http://www.ietf.org/live/ if you're interested (the fun technical content hasn't started yet)
[17:09:02] <bear> when does it start?
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[17:12:57] <stpeter> the plenary has started, but preliminaries are happening right now
[17:13:06] <stpeter> I can tell you when Bruce's talk starts
[17:16:16] <bear> I have the youtube channel up but it says "Please Stand By"
[17:16:22] <bear> the text stream is going strong tho
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[17:17:05] <stpeter> http://ietf88streaming.dnsalias.net/ietf/ietf889.m3u is the audio
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[17:19:09] *bear opens m3u
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[17:23:31] <Tobias> is the video steam working for any one?
[17:24:01] <bear> yes but i had to refresh many times
[17:24:03] <stpeter> fippo says "http://vancouver.conf.meetecho.com/WebLite/event.jsp?w=plenary might provide an alternative if youtube doesn't work"
[17:24:54] <Tobias> that works
[17:25:58] <fippo> tobias: your'e living in a developing country too, eh?
[17:26:09] <Tobias> fippo, apparently
[17:26:53] <Tobias> for me it just showed "This video is not available.", "Sorry about that" also known as ..."We're sooooo sorryyyy"
[17:27:27] <Tobias> fippo, did they geolock the youtube stream? ^^
[17:27:45] <stpeter> the audio stream might be good enough
[17:28:09] <Tobias> stpeter, the meetecho link worked :)
[17:30:40] <stpeter> great
[17:30:49] <stpeter> the meetecho guys are cool
[17:30:59] <stpeter> plus they like xmpp ;-)
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[17:51:08] <ralphm> Is GEMA blocking even the IETF now?
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