Wednesday, January 15, 2014
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XMPP Council Room | http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/xmpp-council/ | Room logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/council/ | https://trello.com/b/ww7zWMlI/xmpp-council-agenda

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[08:18:31] <Kev> Ah. And then I notice that Dave had already made a comment about TCP fallback on-list.
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[12:56:53] <Lance> Kev: i'm not entirely sure if i'll be able to join the meeting, given insomnia + utc-8
[12:57:02] <Kev> Lance: OK, thanks.
[12:57:07] <Zash> Have some UTF-8 instead? :)
[12:57:11] <Kev> I'd have thought a Council meeting would be a great cure for insomnia :D
[12:57:19] <Lance> but mark me as -1 on the user-auth proposal, and will officially vote/give feedback on list
[12:57:47] <Lance> zash you have no idea how many times i get those confused when typing
[12:58:22] <Kev> Lance: OK, thanks.
[12:58:51] <Zash> Lance, hehe :)
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[15:59:43] <Tobias> brb..just grabbing a coffee
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[16:00:46] <MattJ> and thanks for reminding me
[16:00:57] <MattJ> seems my s2s broke, and I got: 15:58:22 message received for a non-existing room: council@muc.xmpp.org
[16:01:44] <Kev> Here we go again.
[16:01:58] <Kev> 1) Bread products!
[16:02:01] <Kev> I'm here
[16:02:55] <MattJ> Me too
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[16:03:47] <Tobias> here
[16:03:50] <Lance> sleep's overrated. here
[16:04:01] <Kev> fippo: ?
[16:04:04] <Kev> Lance: Welcome.
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[16:05:02] <fippo> kev: pong
[16:05:08] <Kev> Excellent.
[16:05:11] <Kev> Just one thing today, I think.
[16:05:15] <Kev> 2) http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/user-auth.html
Accept?
[16:05:22] <Kev> And as Lance has pre-rejected it, this could be short :)
[16:05:28] <fippo> will vote on list, I need to take a closer look
[16:05:45] *Tobias needs to give it a read too, yet
[16:06:35] <MattJ> I read it a while back... the title is misleading :)
[16:06:37] <Kev> I read it, and I'm -1 as I don't understand exactly what's authenticating what, and where the two factors are coming from.
[16:06:57] <MattJ> I agree, it's confusing
[16:06:59] <Kev> It could be that with a stronger early explanation it'd make sense to me.
[16:07:03] <MattJ> Agreed
[16:07:14] <MattJ> I haven't seen Lance's feedback
[16:07:27] <Kev> But as Lance offered to write stuff to list once he's more awake, I'm happy to leave that to him :D
[16:07:38] <Lance> this is just a way to send back some challenge, say an sms code you received
[16:08:05] <Lance> authenticating yourself to a peer jid
[16:08:47] <Dave Cridland> The examples gave two full jids of the same account. Is this to protect against rogue servers?
[16:09:55] <MattJ> No, I think it's like out-of-band authentication of JIDs for ad-hoc commands and such
[16:09:55] <Kev> I don't think anyone's actively disagreeing that rejecting it until it's a bit clearer what the objectives are is a bad plan though, are they?
[16:10:12] <Tobias> I'm not
[16:10:21] <Kev> So I think we're onto:
[16:10:23] <Kev> 3) Date of next
[16:10:26] <Kev> SBTSBC?
[16:10:32] <MattJ> +1
[16:10:34] <Tobias> wfm
[16:10:47] <Lance> wfm
[16:10:50] <fippo> wfm, too
[16:10:55] <Kev> Fabtastic.
[16:10:58] <Kev> 4) AOB?
[16:11:34] <Tobias> none here
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[16:12:01] <Kev> Marvellous. Gives us a good stretch until the Board meeting tehn.
[16:12:04] <Kev> Thanks all
[16:12:06] *Kev bangs the gavel.
[16:12:06] <stpeter> hiya
[16:12:16] <stpeter> hey, are we starting at the top of the hour now?
[16:12:18] <Dave Cridland> stpeter, Missed it by a second.
[16:12:32] <Zash> !
[16:12:35] <Dave Cridland> stpeter, Yeah, they discussed that last week.
[16:12:38] <Lance> oh, right. Kev peter has calls for volunteers i think
[16:12:42] <stpeter> forgot about that
[16:12:43] <Tobias> let's see what the calendar says.....
[16:12:44] <Zash> To the archives!
[16:12:47] <Kev> stpeter: Yep, I think I even minuted it :)
[16:12:51] <Dave Cridland> stpeter, Actually spent more on that than any other item, I think. :-)
[16:12:57] <stpeter> :)
[16:13:24] *stpeter reads http://logs.xmpp.org/council/140115/
[16:14:42] <Kev> stpeter: Did you have anything you wanted us to agendaicise?
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[16:23:23] <stpeter> Kev: I think not (yet)
[16:24:04] <stpeter> how IIRC I do need to issue a new Last Call on XEP-0152
[16:24:12] <stpeter> s/how/however/

[16:24:40] <Kev> Unless you think the XEP Editor team can get up and running particularly fast, possibly :)
[16:24:46] <stpeter> heh
[16:24:55] <stpeter> perhaps not *that* fast
[16:25:16] <stpeter> it will be great to have a team for this
[16:25:39] <stpeter> should've done it a long time ago
[16:25:52] <Kev> Indubitably
[16:25:55] <Kev> (Great to have)
[16:25:59] <stpeter> heh, I like that word :-)
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