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XMPP Council Room | http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/xmpp-council/ | Room logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/council/ | https://trello.com/b/ww7zWMlI/xmpp-council-agenda

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[15:20:59] <Zash> Meeting?
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[15:43:43] <fippo> i don't think we have an agenda...
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[15:54:31] <winfried> BOSH patches?
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[15:56:21] <Kev> fippo: I haven't sent an agenda, which isn't quite the same as there not being one.
[16:00:02] <Kev> winfried: I don't have that on the agenda. I do have on the agenda choosing a XEP Editor team that can issue the calls for Council to shove stuff on the agenda though :)
[16:00:44] <Kev> The things I have on the agenda for today are:
2) 152 vote
3) Select editors
4) deprecate non-forms from 55?
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[16:02:24] <Kev> And 'tis time, 'tis time.
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[16:02:31] <Kev> 1) Rolls
[16:02:32] <Kev> I'm here.
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[16:02:58] <Lance> Here
[16:03:00] <ralphm> Here
[16:03:08] <fippo> here
[16:03:18] <Kev> Tobias: ?
[16:03:32] <Tobias> here
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[16:04:13] <Kev> 2) http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0152.html
Move to Draft?
[16:04:27] <Lance> +1
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[16:04:38] <fippo> '+1
[16:04:46] <Tobias> +1
[16:05:15] <Kev> I'll +1, grumbling a bit that the people who most need it didn't comment saying so.
[16:05:34] <Kev> 3) Select editors
[16:05:49] <Kev> So, the deal here is that we pick the XEP Editors we think we should have, and then present the list to Board for them to ratify.
[16:06:12] <ralphm> How many implementations are there or 0152?
[16:06:32] <Kev> ralphm: "Some"
[16:06:48] <ralphm> Kev: is that >=2, interoperable?
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[16:07:31] <Kev> By my reckoning, we've had as volunteers Dave, m&m, Ashley, Stefan (Strigler), Lloyd, Steffen (Larsen).
[16:07:55] <Kev> ralphm: That's the requirement for Final, not Draft.
[16:08:03] <ralphm> Kev: I know this, of course.
[16:08:04] <Tobias> what's the size we're aiming at for that team?
[16:08:25] <winfried> I was at the list too
[16:08:27] <Kev> But yes, I believe there are >=2. I do not know if they're interoperable, due to the lack of responses on list.
[16:08:39] <Kev> winfried: My bad, I stopped typing before getting to the bottom of the thread.
[16:08:39] <ralphm> Kev: I just wanted to know if there has been enough gathered experience, given the lack of real LC comments.
[16:08:46] <Kev> Tobias: Up to us, I think.
[16:09:05] <bear> > 2 and < too many
[16:09:17] <fippo> ralphm: i know a thing which solves the same usecase and i think 0152 is a good fit for the requirements
[16:09:18] <Kev> ralphm: I'm basically trusting Peter here, who said it should be Draft, and Lance, who's implemented it IIRC.
[16:09:34] <ralphm> bear: thanks
[16:10:00] <ralphm> fippo, Kev: right
[16:10:07] <Kev> (I also volunteered for the editor role)
[16:10:42] <Kev> My inclination for the Editor team is to just choose those people who aren't already serving on Board/Council from the list, and filter no further than that.
[16:10:59] <ralphm> My personal stance on the Editor Team is that sitting council and board members should not be serving.
[16:11:41] <Kev> ralphm: My stance is that there's no problem with overlap with Council, probably no problem with Board, but that people on Council/Board are doing enough already :)
[16:12:00] <Kev> Lance / fippo / Tobias: What are your thoughts on this?
[16:12:21] <Lance> I'm fine appointing all non-council, non-board to the team
[16:12:38] <Tobias> i'm fine with that too
[16:12:57] <fippo> wfm, too.
[16:13:06] <ralphm> Kev: indeed
[16:13:28] <ralphm> I'm still ok with them providing review comments on pull requests, of course
[16:13:28] <Kev> Fab. In that case, I'll suggest this at the immenent Board meeting for them to ratify.
[16:13:40] <Kev> I'll also learn to typo.
[16:13:57] <Tobias> one thing at a time
[16:14:16] <Kev> 4) There was discussion at the summit about deprecating the non-xep4 bit of xep55. What do people think of doing that?
[16:14:18] <fippo> does that change the current workflow where some people have direct git access? (e.g. me)?
[16:14:53] <fippo> i'm happy to have more people who review diffs though
[16:14:54] <Tobias> fippo, i think not
[16:15:00] <Kev> My view is that xep55 is a mess, but that it's widely deployed and if we want to drastically change semantics, it's better to just obsolete it with a new one.
[16:15:12] <Lance> Kev: +1 on that sentiment
[16:15:15] <Kev> fippo: I am assuming not, but the editor team might decide otherwise.
[16:15:57] <bear> how the editorial team works will be decided by them after it's been formed
[16:16:14] <Tobias> yup, jabber search is widely implemented in servers and clients, the way it currently is
[16:16:24] <ralphm> Kev: I had the same idea, just do a new one, with a new namespace, like we did with delay
[16:16:44] <Kev> I think people will shout if they start taking away the ability to push patches from people who already have it, so they are probably not foolhardy enough to try, but I think it's the editor team's decision to not fight that particular beast ;)
[16:17:11] <Kev> Cool. I think that's us done for action items (by next week the editor team will probably be asking for BOSH voting :))
[16:17:15] <Kev> 5) Date of next
[16:17:17] <Kev> SBTSBC?
[16:17:21] <Lance> wfm
[16:17:24] <Tobias> wfm
[16:18:18] <Kev> fippo?
[16:18:36] <fippo> wfm
[16:19:14] <Kev> 6) AOB?
[16:19:45] <Tobias> none here
[16:20:03] <Lance> none here
[16:20:30] <Kev> Good enough.
[16:20:32] <Kev> Thanks all.
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[16:20:42] <winfried> thank you kev!
[16:21:04] <Tobias> thanks Kev
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[16:21:44] <stpeter> oh sigh, I spaced out the meeting
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[16:22:09] <bear> and here I thought you had amazing timing to arrive *just* as it ended
[16:22:14] <stpeter> heh
[16:23:04] <Tobias> at least in time for the board shenanigans
[16:23:31] <stpeter> :)
[16:24:31] <stpeter> ok, that all looks good
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