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XMPP Council Room | https://xmpp.org/about/xmpp-standards-foundation#council | Room logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/council/ | https://trello.com/b/ww7zWMlI/xmpp-council-agenda

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[15:12:22] <Tobias> do we have a meeting today? is there an agenda?
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[15:56:36] <Kev> We do, and...there will be within the next 6 minutes.
[15:57:14] <Kev> Odd. I was sure there was something, but I've not noted it.
[15:57:31] <Kev> Ah. I think it's that I was expecting the Editor team to ask for a vote on BOSH, but I don't think that team's off the ground yet.
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[16:02:52] <Kev> Or, possibly, because there seems to be continuing discussion about BOSH on the list.
[16:03:32] <Kev> Well, I don't think we have anything for this week, then, but let's start anyway.
[16:03:34] <Kev> 1) Roll call.
[16:03:36] <Kev> I'm here.
[16:03:43] <Kev> Matt sent apologies.
[16:03:44] <Lance> here
[16:04:17] <Tobias> here
[16:04:47] <Kev> fippo?
[16:04:54] <fippo> here
[16:05:26] <Kev> Before we jump straight to Date, anyone know of anything we need to vote on (BOSH notwithstanding, that I'm not sure of the state of).
[16:05:45] <fippo> i think there was a new version of the two factor auth...?
[16:06:08] <Kev> Hmm. I don't see a mail about that in my inbox.
[16:06:57] <fippo> http://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2014-February/028547.html
[16:07:11] <fippo> i don't think it was officially submitted to the editor though
[16:07:12] <Kev> Ah, not a submission yet, then.
[16:07:13] <Dave Cridland> Kev, As an AOB of sorts, I'd appreciate any views Council has on the Editor team being gathered for the Board.
[16:07:33] <Kev> Dave Cridland: Not understood, but noted.
[16:07:37] <Kev> OK.
[16:07:40] <Kev> 2) Date of next meeting.
[16:07:41] <Kev> SBTSBC?
[16:07:52] <Lance> wfm
[16:07:56] <Tobias> wfm
[16:07:57] <fippo> i'm unavailable next week
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[16:08:17] <Kev> Matt expects to be back next week, so that makes four. fippo: Would you rather we didn't meet without you?
[16:08:25] <Kev> Otherwise I'd suggest we just go on and you vote on list.
[16:08:32] <Lance> for aob i do have a question on a xep-30 clarification
[16:08:34] <fippo> kev: go ahead, i'll vote on the list if there is anything.
[16:08:37] <Kev> Fab
[16:08:40] <Kev> 3) AOB.
[16:08:47] <Kev> Dave Cridland: What is it you want thoughts on?
[16:09:09] <Dave Cridland> Are there any from Council?
[16:09:15] <Kev> On what?
[16:09:23] <Kev> The Editor team is a Done Deal isn't it?
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[16:09:55] <Dave Cridland> It should be setting itself up; I was thinking in terms of whether it's adequately doing so. I imagine it's too early to tell yet.
[16:10:14] <Kev> I assume that nothing's happened yet, I could be wrong.
[16:10:15] <fippo> the first meeting hasn't happened yet, or did i miss that?
[16:10:58] <Dave Cridland> I didn't *think* anything had happened.
[16:11:08] <Dave Cridland> But I'm on my travels, so I wasn't sure.
[16:11:28] <Kev> I think not.
[16:11:32] <Kev> So we done with that item?
[16:11:44] <Dave Cridland> Sounds like it.
[16:11:52] <Dave Cridland> I'll check back next week.
[16:12:00] <Kev> (I'm also waiting to see the charter of the UPnP team, so I can call for volunteers, but that's not really relevant here)
[16:12:06] <Kev> Lance: You're up.
[16:12:29] <Lance> So in XEP-0030 for requesting disco items without specifiying a node
[16:12:37] <Lance> it says 'The target entity then MUST either return its list of publicly-available items, or return an error'
[16:12:49] <Lance> however, publicly-available is ambiguous
[16:13:03] <Lance> does that mean all top-level items, or the full entire hierarchy of items
[16:13:16] <Lance> because if the latter, that eliminates the whole point of tree walking
[16:13:31] <Kev> Ah. I'm assuming we're talking direct children only, if we take the tree metaphor.
[16:13:59] <Kev> This is consistent with how MUC works. You query c.j.o to find rooms, you query jdev@cjo to see who's in it.
[16:14:02] <Lance> that's what i thought, but i had someone submit a patch to sleek that pulled in *everything* when no node is listed, citing this bit
[16:14:08] <Dave Cridland> I always assumed and implemented it as a first level search.
[16:14:36] <Lance> since child nodes are still 'publicly-accessible'
[16:14:54] <Lance> ok, any objections to me sending a patch to clarify that sentence?
[16:15:01] <Kev> None here.
[16:15:40] <Kev> And with that, I think we're done?
[16:15:48] <Dave Cridland> I think if we were expecting the full heirarchy to be returned, that wouldn't work when the tree crosses jid boundaries.
[16:15:50] <fippo> i think first-level was what made sense in the old jabberd1 architecture. not so much with more tightly integrated servers
[16:16:58] <Kev> I think, in any case, that seeing the patch would be a sensible start.
[16:17:09] <Kev> Unless fippo's saying he's fundamentally opposed to what I think is a clarification.
[16:17:25] <Kev> Not that I'm leading the discussion at all there...
[16:17:43] <fippo> not opposed, +1 on a patch
[16:17:53] <Kev> Fab. Lance: Let's see the patch :)
[16:18:03] <Kev> I think there's NOAOB, so...
[16:18:06] *Kev bangs the gavel.
[16:18:07] <Kev> Thanks all.
[16:20:09] <Tobias> thanks Kev
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