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XMPP Council Room | http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/xmpp-council/ | Room logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/council/ | https://trello.com/b/ww7zWMlI/xmpp-council-agenda

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[12:27:17] <Kev> By my reckoning (the editor team haven't responded to me asking if we're supposed to be voting on BOSH), our agenda today is roughly Roll/Date/AOB.
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[15:51:30] <stpeter> love those short meetings :-)
[15:51:32] <stpeter> bbiaf
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[15:56:16] <fippo> https://gist.github.com/jamesvnz/6756208 -- this makes me wonder if they seriously abuse the type attribute...
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[15:56:51] <m&m> oi!
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[15:57:17] <fippo> ah... they don't -- https://developer.android.com/google/gcm/ccs.html
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[16:02:48] <Kev> Hola.
[16:02:51] <Tobias> hi
[16:03:00] <Kev> 1) Are we rolls?
[16:03:02] <Kev> I'm here.
[16:03:09] <Tobias> here
[16:03:09] <MattJ> Here
[16:03:16] <Lance> here
[16:03:32] <Kev> And fippo's obviously not here, as he was talking a moment ago.
[16:03:46] <Kev> fippooooooooooooooo
[16:04:43] <fippo> errr... yes
[16:04:53] <Kev> Assuming I'm right about not having more stuff.
[16:04:55] <Kev> 2) Date of next.
[16:05:02] <Kev> I can't do next Wednesday
[16:05:16] <MattJ> Hmm, not sure yet if I can
[16:05:19] <Kev> Can skip a week, move it, or have it without me.
[16:05:29] <Kev> I'd be inclined to skip a week, given IETF.
[16:05:34] <Tobias> wfm
[16:05:38] <Tobias> the skipping
[16:05:39] <fippo> skip it
[16:05:56] <Zash> the skippening
[16:06:02] <Lance> wfm to skip
[16:06:13] <Kev> Excellent.
[16:06:15] *Dave Cridland skips about. Tra-la-la.
[16:06:16] <Kev> 3) AOB?
[16:06:21] <MattJ> None here
[16:06:26] <m&m> I have one item to bring up
[16:06:30] <m&m> if I may
[16:06:31] <Kev> I note, not as directly business, that the Editors are now functional.
[16:06:33] <Dave Cridland> Can I ask the COuncil members in particular to look at my XEP-0001 change proposal?
[16:06:35] <Kev> m&m: Shoot.
[16:06:46] <Kev> Dave Cridland: Oh, about that, I note that Council /do/ vote on Humerous generally.
[16:06:54] <Kev> They just do it by pre-approving whatever the author is going to say.
[16:07:02] <Kev> Which is obviously a nonsense. But I don't see a reason to change it.
[16:07:13] <m&m> historically, we had a page that collected all of the protocols, and provided short information block on them
[16:07:14] <m&m> http://xmpp.org/protocols
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[16:07:37] <m&m> however, that page (and its children) haven't been updated in several months — possibly years
[16:07:48] <stpeter> probably years
[16:07:50] <m&m> so my question is, does the council see value in keeping it?
[16:08:15] <Kev> A list of registered namespaces seems worthwhile. Pointing to the XEPs in which they're registered seems worthwhile. More than that seems not, to me.
[16:08:18] <MattJ> Is this from when we had pages at jabber.org/protocol/*?
[16:08:25] <Dave Cridland> Oh... So this probably made more sense when we used the http://jabber.org/protocol namespace.
[16:08:31] <Kev> MattJ: Yes.
[16:08:33] <m&m> yes
[16:09:13] <MattJ> To be honest it would be nice if we could preserve those links, but not necessary
[16:09:26] <Dave Cridland> Speaking from the floor, while the XMPP Registrar certainly needs to maintain a list of allocated namespaces, I see no particular reason for anyone else to dictate its form.
[16:09:43] <m&m> we already have the registrar list
[16:09:54] <stpeter> as I recall, the http://jabber.org/protocol/* namespaces all had pages like this and then we had redirects in place to point those to these pages at xmpp.org
[16:10:00] <m&m> this is, in some sense, duplicate information
[16:10:08] <stpeter> m&m: yes
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[16:10:36] <Kev> m&m: I think this was a straw poll rather than a Council action, right?
[16:10:46] <Kev> m&m: And that we've now done that?
[16:10:46] <m&m> it is, yes
[16:11:07] <m&m> well, I'm inclined to remove the landing page, and leave the existing directories in place
[16:11:19] <m&m> at least for http://jabber.org/protocol/* links
[16:11:26] <m&m> but not do any other updates
[16:11:38] <Kev> This seems sensible to me.
[16:11:45] <Kev> m&m: Happy that we're done?
[16:11:46] *stpeter nods
[16:11:52] <MattJ> +1
[16:11:53] <m&m> grazie
[16:11:56] <Dave Cridland> Kev, As for Humorous XEPs, I didn't *think* Coucil approved them in any meaningful sense. I couldn't remember voting on any, certainly. I'm happy with whatever; as usual I'm more interested in documenting what is done here.
[16:11:56] <Kev> AOAOB?
[16:11:56] <Tobias> +1
[16:12:05] <Tobias> none here
[16:13:15] <Kev> Dave Cridland: I remember voting on them, but only in a loose sense. I'm vaguely opposed to introducing a new approving body.
[16:13:52] <stpeter> Dave Cridland: the Editor would send them to the Council members (off-list, to retain some element of surprise)
[16:13:54] <Kev> I think this is outside Council discussion, so let's carry on after.
[16:14:00] <Dave Cridland> Kev, OK. Please post that to the list; it'll spark some debate.
[16:14:00] <stpeter> nod
[16:14:09] <Kev> I think we're done with Council.
[16:14:10] <Kev> Thanks all
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[16:14:13] <Tobias> thank you
[16:14:19] <m&m> thanks!
[16:14:24] <Kev> Dave Cridland: Yes, I'll look at them more thoroughly (like, at all), and post to the list.
[16:14:26] <MattJ> Thanks
[16:14:30] <Tobias> Lance, you've suggested adding tags/keyworks to XEPs, right?
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[16:15:15] <Lance> i have no memory of it, but it would be nice to group them, yes
[16:17:10] <Tobias> yeah..seems sensible, so what kind of groups did you have in mind?
[16:17:18] <Tobias> just to get a rough idea
[16:17:41] <Lance> pubsub, jingle, muc to start
[16:18:01] <fippo> c2s, s2s, im, presence, pubsub, muc, jingle would be the ones that come to my mind
[16:18:36] <Tobias> ah..yeah..those seem to make sense
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[16:19:57] <Lance> i'd like a very subjective 'this is a minimum you need to use to be a modern xmpp client', but that might be too subjective unless we do a compliance suite for it first
[16:20:50] <Lance> just something to avoid listing ~400 xeps at once when someone first lands on the page
[16:21:09] <Tobias> right
[16:21:27] <Zash> Wouldn't that be the compliance suites?
[16:21:50] <Tobias> it sure would ease getting an overview...i'll see what i can do to integrate that in our publishing system
[16:21:58] <Lance> Zash presumably, yes. it would be nice to make the xep list filterable by those suites
[16:22:02] <stpeter> oh that's right we need to update the compliance suite(s) document
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[18:49:19] <m&m> fippo: editors of draft-ietf-xmpp-dna want your feedback posted to xmpp@ietf.org!
[18:51:25] <Tobias> they want you, NOW! ... maybe they'll even hang posters on the walls
[18:51:34] <m&m> ooo … that's a thought
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[19:09:37] <fippo> m&m: actually that reminds me that I promised peter to re-review https://github.com/linuxwolf/xmpp-fed/pull/1
[19:09:46] <m&m> right
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