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SamWhited
FYI: I have a meeting that got rescheduled for 1630z today, so I might dissapear half way through the council meeting or somewhere thereabouts.
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daniel
I won't make it today
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Tobias
ok..thanks for letting us know
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Tobias
sounds it's about time
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Tobias
1) roll call
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SamWhited
here
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Tobias
Dave Cridland, Link Mauve?
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Tobias
hmm..let's see if we can be more than two people for our meeting today :)
- Tobias plays jeopardy jingle
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Dave Cridland
I am here, sorry
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Dave Cridland
Just finishing off a phone call. Blame Phil.
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Tobias
oki doki
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Tobias
2) Minute taker
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Tobias
I can write up minutes for today
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Tobias
3) https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2017-February/032328.html
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Tobias
I think Link Mauve is planning to do a review and come up with a migration plan. Any news on that?
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Dave Cridland
Tobias, I thought Jonas had come up with a replacement XEP-0115 that solves all these things, at least in this case?
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Tobias
right...I was planning to review that...might as well do it this evening, with other github PRs
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Tobias
Dave Cridland, it was just that the trello card mentioned Link Mauve https://trello.com/c/IUXIWOdC/170-https-mail-jabber-org-pipermail-standards-2017-february-032328-html
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Dave Cridland
Fairy Nuff.
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SamWhited
I think Link Mauve was going to come up with a general deprecation policy / audit existing usages
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Dave Cridland
That would be useful.
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Tobias
so nothing actionable for us here it seems, other than reviewing Jonas' XEP
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Tobias
4) IEEE IoT https://trello.com/c/5SHoH80M/171-ieee-iot
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Tobias
Dave Cridland, you suggested we appoint a liason as a first step?
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SamWhited
I sent out an email; no response.
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Dave Cridland
Yeah...
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Dave Cridland
SamWhited, I totally missed that.
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Tobias
SamWhited, yeah...just read it, haven't replied to it yet
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Tobias
maybe the council should have a meeting together with our IoT SIG?
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Dave Cridland
That sounds sane.
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SamWhited
I would prefer to not be a part of that, but will be there if people feel strongly that we should.
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Dave Cridland
I was thinking a formal liaison because most SDOs - like IEEE and ITU, as well as IETF - actually have processes for these.
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Tobias
Dave Cridland, do we (XSF) have processes for that?
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Dave Cridland
So they can be allowed into all the meetings, etc.
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Dave Cridland
Tobias, Yes, sorta. Council picks a person, Board ratifies, and "it happens". Somehow.
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Dave Cridland
Tobias, Undocumented process, probably. But we needed it for ... erm, something. UPnP, I think.
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Tobias
didn't we vote on that already?
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Tobias
probably confusing that with something else, can't find it in my mail
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Dave Cridland
A Liaison to IEEE's IoT group? Not that I know of.
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Tobias
but yeah, I will talk with the people from our IoT SIG about that
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Tobias
also will reply to Sam's mail later today
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Tobias
5) AOB
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Tobias
There are still outstanding votes for some things
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SamWhited
Editor hat reminder about outstanding votes
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SamWhited
Yah, that. Tobias ++
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Dave Cridland
Probably lots of mine. I'll look.
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Tobias
yeah...have a look at trello https://trello.com/b/ww7zWMlI/xmpp-council-agenda , reply to the corresponding meeting minutes with your votes, ta
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Tobias
further AOB from anyone?
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SamWhited
I've lost track of what's in LC and what ends when again; I'll ping ralph and try to get a trello again during the board meeting.
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SamWhited
And then try to clean that up.
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Dave Cridland
Only that implementing MIX is suggesting it's not nearly as complete as we might have hoped. :-/
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Tobias
Dave Cridland, well..p1 implemented it too, not?
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Dave Cridland
Tobias, They implementing grouchat over pubsub; not quite the same thing.
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Tobias
misread mikael mail then probably
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Tobias
seems there's no further AOB
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Tobias
6) Date of next
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Tobias
same day of week, next week, same time of day
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Tobias
?
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Dave Cridland
Sounds good.
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SamWhited
WFM
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Tobias
great
- Tobias bangs the gavel
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Dave Cridland
Although if Wednesday is causing problems, I'm open to changes.
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Tobias
thanks everybody
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Tobias
Dave Cridland, please reply to my upcoming meeting minutes with more ideal alternatives and we'll see what works for everybody
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Dave Cridland
Wednesday is fine for me.
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Kev
Haven't followed the meeting, but: > Only that implementing MIX is suggesting it's not nearly as complete as we might have hoped. :-/ This is why we have experimental, and why I've been keen people try to implement it because I wasn't at all convinced we'd solve everything spec-only.
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Dave Cridland
Oh, it's not unexpected.
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Kev
I've not read the list post yet either, but I'm not at all surprised to find things that are incomplete, or just outright stupid or wrong.
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Tobias
na...it's now implemented everywhere, we can't change it anymore. Let's move it to draft, nah..it has issues that should be fixed first....
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Dave Cridland
Just I'd been honestly thinking we were much closer than we actually are. My misinterpretation.
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Dave Cridland
We have, though, switched from using MUC in our app to using MIX.
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Kev
I thought we were close.
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Kev
I still do, although I might change my mind once I've seen your mail.
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Dave Cridland
I thought we were close until I saw Steve's reply...
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Kev
I've not reviewed the spec in months. It might be approaching the point I need to, but it's grown somewhat in length beyond what I expected to be necessary and I'm struggling to find the multiple days I need!
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Dave Cridland
Well, this is more or less where we are as well - hence we're reviewing by tripping over things as we come to them.
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Kev
I truly thought I was going to get to write some code today. But nope, now I need to catch up on this. *sigh*