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XMPP Council Room | http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/xmpp-council/ | Room logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/council/ | https://trello.com/b/ww7zWMlI/xmpp-council-agenda

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[14:00:01] <jcbrand> Hi folks, just FYI, I won't be able to take minutes for the next 3 weeks (today and the next two meetings). I'm both moving house and going to a mountain retreat in Switserland.
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[14:00:20] <jcbrand> Well, one after the other TBH
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[14:02:08] <Link Mauve> Ack, thanks for the notice. :)
[14:02:11] <SamWhited> Thanks for the heads up; enjoy the retreat, wish I were in the mountains instead of sitting at my desk…
[14:02:16] <SamWhited> I'm jealous!
[14:02:38] <Link Mauve> I went to the sea last week, it was a very welcome retreat. :)
[14:02:43] <Link Mauve> Especially without any computer!
[14:04:11] <Ge0rG> Damn. I forgot to forget my android device on my last holiday.
[14:05:58] <jcbrand> :)
[14:07:34] <daniel> Oh I forgot to mention this. I just boarded my flight to the US. So I won't make it today.
[14:07:50] <daniel> And probably I won't make it next week either
[14:08:29] <Ge0rG> daniel: it was nice to have known you.
[14:08:58] <Link Mauve> I guess now is a good time to read last week’s minutes. :-°
[14:09:38] <Ge0rG> I wanted to re-submit my request to burn GC1.0 with fire, but instead I wrote a really really long mail about MUC self-pings.
[14:09:41] <Ge0rG> Bummer.
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[14:20:18] <Flow> I think we should under no circumstances make incompatible changes without a namespace bump
[14:21:11] <Zash> Can someone do a survey of whether GC1.0 is even used?
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[14:57:54] <Link Mauve> Hi, SamWhited, Tobias, dwd, are you here?
[14:58:02] <dwd> Hi folks.
[14:58:05] <Tobias> here
[14:58:22] <SamWhited> yup
[14:58:55] <Link Mauve> Perfect, we are all here, daniel said he wouldn’t be able to attend.
[14:59:00] <Tobias> ok
[14:59:06] <Tobias> shall we run though the agenda then?
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[14:59:49] <Tobias> 1) Roll call
[15:00:03] <Tobias> seems everybody except daniel is there
[15:00:11] <Tobias> 2) Minute taker
[15:00:15] <Tobias> jcbrand, are you available?
[15:00:23] <SamWhited> jcbrand said he would not be avilable for the next few weeks
[15:00:42] <Tobias> ah..ok
[15:00:48] <SamWhited> I can do it
[15:01:10] <Tobias> thanks
[15:02:54] <Tobias> SamWhited, what's the state of https://trello.com/c/wi8fgSfa/180-compare-and-publish-pubsub-items-protoxep ?
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[15:04:17] <SamWhited> I don't actually remember what that card means; it appears to be in the inbox?
[15:04:57] <Tobias> Flow, ping
[15:05:27] <SamWhited> Oh, I think the email never went out maybe and that's what the card is for? The comments seem to suggest that.
[15:05:34] <Flow> Tobias: I've an update version according to the list feedback on geekplace.eu/xeps
[15:05:48] <Flow> and plan to submit it by the end of the week (I wanted to wait for some more feedback)
[15:06:21] <SamWhited> So can we wait and add a new card when that happens and then vote on it?
[15:06:27] <Tobias> okido
[15:06:55] <dwd> As a usual rant: I have no idea why we're encouraging discussion of non-XSF documents.
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[15:07:20] <SamWhited> dwd: I think we were supposed to vote on accepting it as an XSF document, but it never happened because the announcement email didn't get sent
[15:08:03] <dwd> Right, but some day we'll get stung badly because of this.
[15:08:45] <Tobias> i'll just archived the card...so if it's submitted again we create a new one
[15:09:06] <Tobias> 3) ODR / OMEMO
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[15:09:17] <Tobias> does anybody know anything about the state of this
[15:09:20] <Tobias> ?
[15:11:09] <Link Mauve> Was it the one with the split of the current OMEMO XEP into an historical one and a better one?
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[15:11:42] <Tobias> i think so
[15:12:02] <Tobias> https://trello.com/b/ww7zWMlI/xmpp-council-agenda this card
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[15:16:55] <Tobias> i think we should call out to the standard ML on this topic
[15:17:18] <Tobias> will write a mail there
[15:17:25] <Tobias> 4) Next meeting
[15:17:30] <Tobias> same time next week
[15:17:31] <Tobias> ?
[15:18:50] <Link Mauve> Wfm.
[15:19:23] <Tobias> alright
[15:19:26] <SamWhited> 2017-10-11T1500Z
[15:19:29] <Tobias> 5) AOB?
[15:19:34] <jonasw> SamWhited, there was an announcement mail
[15:20:05] <jonasw> 2017-08-24
[15:20:18] <jonasw> it was discussed, not accepted by council, flow revised and that’s where we’re at
[15:20:30] <SamWhited> ah, thanks
[15:20:33] <jonasw> I don’t know how to send announcement mails for updated protoxeps, I don’t think the process™ knows about that
[15:20:39] <jonasw> which is kindof what dwd said.
[15:21:13] <SamWhited> AOB: reminder that council elections are coming up: https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Board_and_Council_Elections_2017
[15:21:19] <Tobias> jonasw, just the same announcement mail again, mentioning version ,etc.
[15:21:26] <Tobias> would be my suggestion
[15:21:52] <Tobias> wonder who that Joe Demo guy is...never heard of him :P
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[15:22:39] <Tobias> any further AOB?
[15:23:30] <Tobias> doesn't look like it
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[15:23:38] <Tobias> thanks everybody
[15:27:04] <Tobias> SamWhited, thanks for the minutes
[15:27:16] <Tobias> we have logs again, thanks to whoever did that
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[15:31:21] <jonasw> woah
[15:31:22] <jonasw> amazing :)
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[15:44:36] <jonasw> I’d like to throw in a reminder that people need to vote on https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/500
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[22:12:08] *** Zash shows as "online"
[22:29:49] *** SamWhited shows as "online"
[22:37:46] *** SamWhited has left the room
[22:37:46] *** SamWhited shows as "online"
[22:44:47] *** SamWhited has left the room
[23:06:17] *** Zash has left the room
[23:06:33] *** SamWhited shows as "online"
[23:10:03] *** Tobias shows as "online"
[23:10:05] *** Tobias shows as "online"
[23:18:11] *** Tobias shows as "away"
[23:41:44] *** Holger shows as "away" and his status message is "Auto-away (idle)"