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XMPP Council Room | https://xmpp.org/about/xmpp-standards-foundation#council | Room logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/council/ | https://trello.com/b/ww7zWMlI/xmpp-council-agenda

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[14:52:51] <Link Mauve> It’s about time.
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[14:56:26] <Link Mauve> daniel, SamWhited, dwd, ping.
[14:57:46] <Link Mauve> 1) Roll call
[14:57:54] <Link Mauve> Seems like there is no quorum yet. :(
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[14:58:29] <dwd> Ah. TZ shift.
[14:58:34] <SamWhited> Here but on phone
[14:58:43] <SamWhited> And in PST today :)
[14:58:52] <dwd> This time won't work for me I'm afraid, I have a regular meeting at this time.
[14:59:00] <Link Mauve> This meeting has always been defined in UTC. :)
[14:59:21] <Link Mauve> dwd, oh, should we shift it some other place?
[14:59:28] <Link Mauve> Or maybe leave that decision to the next council?
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[14:59:42] <Kev> Council minutes have always (in the past) been defined in terms of UK time.
[14:59:45] <Kev> For this reason :)
[15:00:24] <Link Mauve> Kev, for the entire term we’ve decided to do UTC.
[15:00:52] <Link Mauve> But we can choose to postpone it by one hour, it will conflict with board but that might be better, if we are only two.
[15:00:56] <Kev> That's why I said "in the past".
[15:01:14] <SamWhited> I'm happy to postpone by one hour
[15:01:30] <Link Mauve> Let’s do that then.
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[15:31:34] <SamWhited> I forgot that I have a meeting at the time we rescheduled for. Should be a quick one and I can passively follow in the beginning though.
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[15:55:43] <Link Mauve> Ok so, let’s start?
[15:55:47] <Link Mauve> 1) Roll call
[15:56:13] <Link Mauve> dwd, SamWhited, daniel.
[15:57:00] <SamWhited> partially here
[15:57:05] <SamWhited> will be fully here shortly
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[15:59:16] <daniel> i'm here
[15:59:30] <Link Mauve> Great, we have quorum then!
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[15:59:41] <Link Mauve> 2) Minute taker, anyone?
[15:59:45] <jcbrand> o/
[15:59:55] <Link Mauve> Thanks jcbrand. :)
[16:00:10] <dwd> Here, sorry.
[16:00:44] <Link Mauve> 3) 0146 is still marked as active.
[16:00:53] <Link Mauve> Should we ping editor to fix that?
[16:01:21] <Link Mauve> I looked for the meeting in which we voted for it, but couldn’t find it.
[16:01:29] *jonasw scratches head
[16:01:37] <SamWhited> It was in a weird place on the editors trello, I moved it to the right column
[16:01:41] <SamWhited> so it probably just didn't show up
[16:01:43] <jonasw> that explains probably
[16:01:50] <Link Mauve> Oh.
[16:02:07] <Link Mauve> Thanks then.
[16:02:27] <Link Mauve> 4) The MAM LC has ended, should we do anything about it?
[16:03:38] <Link Mauve> From what I’ve seen, the main criticism has been the policy section.
[16:04:19] <Kev> LC has ended already? I meant to respond to that.
[16:04:22] <Link Mauve> I find the suggestion to move it into a separate informational XEP quite fair, but probably won’t have any time soon to do it myself.
[16:04:28] <Link Mauve> Kev, it said the 30th.
[16:04:34] <Zash> Me too
[16:04:40] <jonasw> extend it?
[16:04:51] <Link Mauve> (Btw, I find this two weeks period way too short in general.)
[16:05:13] <SamWhited> Two weeks seems fine as a starting point, but this is a big one, a one week extension (and then we can reconsider again) seems reasonable.
[16:05:17] <Kev> Nothing says it has to only be 2 week.
[16:05:24] <Kev> Just that it's never allowed to be less than that.
[16:05:26] <Kev> At least IIRC.
[16:05:46] <Link Mauve> Oh, so when Editor sends the email it can possibly be longer than that already?
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[16:06:01] <jonasw> I don’t see a reason why not
[16:06:02] <Kev> It can be as long as 'we' want, I think, yes.
[16:06:17] <Link Mauve> So, 5) vote on extending the MAM LC of one week.
[16:06:23] <Link Mauve> +1
[16:06:37] <daniel> make it 2 more weeks
[16:06:54] <jonasw> give me an end date :)
[16:06:56] <Link Mauve> I’m also fine with two weeks, still +1.
[16:07:03] <jonasw> (2017-11-15 maybe?)
[16:07:06] <SamWhited> either way seems fine to me; do we expect to get lots more feedback other than kev and zash?
[16:07:14] <Link Mauve> (WFM)
[16:07:15] <jonasw> because "two weeks" is ambiguous: two weeks from now, or two weeks from the original end?
[16:07:42] <daniel> SamWhited, it is a widely deployed XEP. we can *hope* for more feedback
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[16:09:02] <daniel> +1 for november 15th
[16:09:19] <Link Mauve> dwd, ^
[16:09:54] <SamWhited> WFM +1
[16:10:38] <Link Mauve> Alright, I’ll assume the other two will vote on list.
[16:10:52] <Link Mauve> 6) AOB?
[16:11:01] <jonasw> at least two other last calls ended
[16:11:08] <SamWhited> Do we even need a full vote to extend a LC? That just seems like something the editor can do
[16:11:22] <Link Mauve> jonasw, oh, I missed them too then. :x
[16:11:28] <jonasw> XEP-0286 and XEP-0352, oh and XEP-0387
[16:11:36] <jonasw> although I note that XEP-0286 has an invalid end date
[16:11:46] <jonasw> it should’ve been 2017-11-03
[16:11:50] <jonasw> so that hasn’t ended yet
[16:12:15] <SamWhited> Shall we vote on those?
[16:12:45] <Link Mauve> Two of these have had exactly no feedback. :/
[16:13:28] <Kev> "If necessary, the XMPP Extensions Editor may, at his discretion and in consultation with the Approving Body, extend the Last Call or issue a new Last Call if the XEP requires further discussion.

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[16:14:23] <Link Mauve> These three have had exactly no feedback during LC. :/
[16:15:19] <Link Mauve> Great, so Editor, consider having had our agreement.
[16:15:35] <dwd> I'll send some feedback on all of these anyway, so we might generate a discussion then.
[16:15:42] <jonasw> Link Mauve, k, will do that soon
[16:15:59] <SamWhited> Let's let the editor extend those too then
[16:16:31] <Link Mauve> Seems sensible.
[16:16:40] <dwd> And yes, extend all the LCs.
[16:17:06] <jonasw> all to 2017-11-15?
[16:17:21] <Link Mauve> Seems fine.
[16:17:33] <SamWhited> sure
[16:18:23] <Link Mauve> 6-bis) AOB?
[16:19:25] <Link Mauve> I’ll take that as a no.
[16:19:28] <Link Mauve> 7) Date of next
[16:19:51] <Link Mauve> 2017-11-08T15:00:00Z as it’s been for the past year?
[16:20:24] <Link Mauve> Hmm no, we should move one hour later to accomodate dwd, 16:00Z?
[16:22:08] <dwd> Well, it would place it at the same local time it's been for most of the year for everyone.
[16:22:27] <SamWhited> I have a meeting at that time, but it's normally just a quick standup so that WFM
[16:22:47] <dwd> SamWhited, Which time?
[16:22:56] <Link Mauve> dwd, all of my meetings got moved one hour earlier this week, so I assumed it was the case for everyone else.
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[16:26:01] <Link Mauve> Ok, so 16:00Z next week, as it has been somewhat fine for almost one year.
[16:26:17] *Link Mauve bangs the gravel
[16:26:19] *Link Mauve bangs the gravel.
[16:26:23] <Link Mauve> Thanks everyone!
[16:26:50] <jcbrand> BTW, I don't have access to the editors trello board. jonasw: could you help?
[16:27:09] <jonasw> jcbrand, I’m not sure. Your trello name is? ( SamWhited or Kev should definitely be able to help)
[16:27:17] <jcbrand> jcbrand
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[16:32:37] <SamWhited> jcbrand: added you, sorry, I thought I got both of you
[16:32:51] <jcbrand> Thanks SamWhited :)
[16:32:54] <SamWhited> I do not have the power to add you to the XSF team though; not sure if it matters.
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[16:40:13] <jonasw> 2017-11-15 wasn’t a clever choice.
[16:40:17] <jonasw> it’s the day of the council meeting
[16:40:28] <jcbrand> oops
[16:40:34] <jonasw> but we could define "close of business" as "beginning of the council meeting" and call it a day :)
[16:41:01] <jcbrand> sounds reasonable
[16:41:32] <jonasw> council may clarify that on-list as appropriate, I’m just gonna write "until 2017-11-15" in the emails, leaving it vague.
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[16:42:08] <SamWhited> yah, doesn't matter all that much
[16:42:16] <SamWhited> We can make it work.
[16:43:17] <jonasw> sent the emails, the XEPs themselves should update soon-ish
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[17:53:06] *** daniel shows as "online"
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[18:06:51] *** dwd shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 5 min)"
[18:09:15] *** peter shows as "xa" and his status message is "Auto Status (idle)"
[18:16:51] *** dwd shows as "xa" and his status message is " (Not available as a result of being idle more than 15 min)"
[18:17:46] *** Holger shows as "away" and his status message is "Auto-away (idle)"
[18:17:53] *** Holger shows as "online" and his status message is "I'm available"
[18:23:59] *** peter shows as "online"
[18:37:33] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[18:42:24] *** peter shows as "away" and his status message is "Auto Status (idle)"
[18:43:45] *** Holger shows as "away" and his status message is "I'm away"
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[19:19:48] *** Kev shows as "online"
[19:21:41] *** peter shows as "away" and his status message is "Auto Status (idle)"
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[19:32:05] *** ralphm shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 5 min)"
[19:35:46] *** dwd shows as "online"
[19:38:49] *** ralphm shows as "online"
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[19:44:51] *** ralphm shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 5 min)"
[19:54:51] *** ralphm shows as "xa" and his status message is " (Not available as a result of being idle more than 15 min)"
[19:57:08] *** Kev shows as "away"
[20:10:47] *** ralphm shows as "online"
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[20:14:44] *** daniel shows as "online"
[20:18:29] *** peter shows as "online"
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[20:20:39] *** daniel shows as "online"
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[20:25:18] *** daniel shows as "online"
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[20:34:27] *** daniel shows as "online"
[20:39:14] *** peter shows as "away" and his status message is "Auto Status (idle)"
[20:39:58] *** peter shows as "online"
[21:03:46] *** peter shows as "away" and his status message is "Auto Status (idle)"
[21:04:20] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[21:04:49] *** peter shows as "online"
[21:11:00] *** daniel has left the room
[21:11:04] *** daniel shows as "online"
[21:14:41] *** ralphm has left the room
[21:26:52] *** peter shows as "away" and his status message is "Auto Status (idle)"
[21:28:10] *** peter shows as "online"
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[22:18:57] *** Kev shows as "online"
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[22:27:27] *** dwd shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 5 min)"
[22:37:27] *** dwd shows as "xa" and his status message is " (Not available as a result of being idle more than 15 min)"
[22:38:32] *** Kev shows as "away"
[23:29:26] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[23:31:33] *** ralphm shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 5 min)"
[23:40:44] *** ralphm has left the room
[23:41:33] *** ralphm shows as "xa" and his status message is " (Not available as a result of being idle more than 15 min)"
[23:44:31] *** ralphm shows as "online"