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XMPP Council Room | https://xmpp.org/about/xmpp-standards-foundation#council | Room logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/council/ | https://trello.com/b/ww7zWMlI/xmpp-council-agenda

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[09:49:51] <jonasw> does council monitor PRs to the XEPs repository or do I have to forward that to council?
[09:50:03] <jonasw> and if so, what’s the current modus operandi to do that?
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[10:23:45] <Flow> jonasw, which kind of PRs are we talking about?
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[10:26:28] <jonasw> anything which needs council 😺
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[10:31:14] <Flow> So ProtoXEP submissions and Last Calls. But I think for those we have editor sending annoucement mails
[10:32:07] <jonasw> I'm talking about changes to Draft+ XEPs
[10:32:53] <jonasw> (sorry I'm on mobile. protoxeps can be merged instantly, last calls are issued by editors so they don't need council btw)
[10:37:17] <Flow> Ahh, not sure if I ever saw an editor annoucing a proposed change to a draft xep, probably a good idea to establish those though. I wouldn't want council to monitor PRs and such, plus xep1 wants a standards@ discussion of those changes too
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[10:40:31] <daniel> Maybe even provide a rendered version to the standards list.
[10:40:52] <daniel> Then it's easier for the broader community to follow
[10:41:19] <daniel> Arguably though it is also kinda the responsibility of who ever created the PR
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[10:46:47] <jonasw> in this case, me 😺
[10:47:00] <jonasw> I suppose it has to wait for next year then 😺
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[15:25:42] <Ge0rG> What are the criteria for a Council member to decide about the approval of a ProtoXEP? XEP-0001 §5 does not provide any hints except that we need to vote.
[15:26:18] <Ge0rG> The only reason I can immediately see to -1 a protoXEP is that it covers a use case that already was addressed by an existing XEP.
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[15:46:52] <SamWhited> I generally think about whether or not it's implementable in its current form. If it's not I don't want it to end up sitting in experimental in an unusable state forever.
[15:48:08] <Ge0rG> SamWhited: I don't like the protoxep limbo we have, where the author has submitted something, and before it has been voted upon there is already a new revision on the author's homepage.
[15:49:42] <Ge0rG> So I'd rather tend to accept even very raw things, just to keep the wheels turning
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[17:12:40] <Flow> Ge0rG, so you would not have accepted MAM?
[17:13:28] <Ge0rG> Flow: I don't think it covers the exact same use case as 136
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[17:15:05] <SamWhited> I don't mind "very raw things", it just needs to be in a state where every other section isn't a TODO.
[17:15:31] <SamWhited> But I agree about things that overlap in use case; sometimes things just need a replacement, but we don't need three alternatives to everything.
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