Wednesday, March 28, 2018
council@muc.xmpp.org
March
Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri Sat Sun
      1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
26
27
28
29
30
31
 
             
XMPP Council Room | http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/xmpp-council/ | Room logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/council/ | https://trello.com/b/ww7zWMlI/xmpp-council-agenda

[00:00:42] *** Tobias has left the room
[00:18:14] *** SamWhited has left the room
[00:19:44] *** SamWhited has left the room
[00:19:46] *** SamWhited has joined the room
[00:20:36] *** SamWhited shows as "online"
[00:30:33] *** SamWhited shows as "online"
[00:31:29] *** SamWhited has left the room
[00:31:46] *** SamWhited shows as "online"
[00:32:59] *** Lance has left the room
[00:33:08] *** SamWhited has left the room
[00:33:20] *** SamWhited has left the room
[00:36:28] *** Dave has left the room
[00:36:49] *** Tobias shows as "online"
[00:36:53] *** Dave shows as "online"
[00:36:55] *** Tobias shows as "online"
[00:38:00] *** SamWhited shows as "online"
[00:42:19] *** SamWhited has left the room
[00:43:16] *** Tobias has left the room
[00:51:28] *** SamWhited shows as "online"
[00:55:16] *** Tobias shows as "online"
[00:55:20] *** Tobias shows as "online"
[01:00:19] *** Tobias has left the room
[01:02:28] *** SamWhited shows as "online"
[01:10:32] *** jere has joined the room
[01:12:00] *** Kev has left the room
[01:12:41] *** jere has left the room
[01:12:47] *** jere has joined the room
[01:22:03] *** jere has left the room
[01:22:14] *** Dave has left the room
[01:22:58] *** Dave shows as "online"
[01:24:32] *** Dave has left the room
[01:24:44] *** Dave shows as "online"
[01:26:52] *** Tobias shows as "online"
[01:26:58] *** Tobias shows as "online"
[01:27:21] *** Dave has left the room
[01:27:41] *** Lance has joined the room
[01:27:42] *** Lance shows as "online"
[01:28:22] *** Lance has left the room
[01:31:23] *** Dave shows as "online"
[01:37:09] *** SamWhited has left the room
[01:51:50] *** Dave has left the room
[01:56:38] *** Dave shows as "online"
[02:00:36] *** Dave has left the room
[02:06:25] *** Dave shows as "online"
[02:36:27] *** Tobias shows as "online"
[02:36:32] *** Tobias shows as "online"
[02:43:03] *** Tobias has left the room
[02:58:51] *** Tobias shows as "online"
[02:58:56] *** Tobias shows as "online"
[03:05:26] *** Tobias has left the room
[03:07:56] *** Dave has left the room
[03:09:32] *** Dave shows as "online"
[03:36:56] *** Tobias shows as "online"
[03:37:00] *** Tobias shows as "online"
[03:37:16] *** Tobias shows as "away"
[03:41:26] *** Tobias has left the room
[03:59:45] *** SamWhited shows as "online"
[04:24:55] *** SamWhited has left the room
[04:24:59] *** SamWhited shows as "online"
[04:25:47] *** SamWhited has left the room
[04:25:51] *** SamWhited shows as "online"
[04:26:43] *** SamWhited has left the room
[04:26:47] *** SamWhited shows as "online"
[04:27:04] *** SamWhited has left the room
[04:27:09] *** SamWhited shows as "online"
[04:31:23] *** SamWhited has left the room
[04:31:24] *** SamWhited shows as "online"
[04:32:45] *** ralphm has left the room
[04:32:47] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[04:41:17] *** Tobias shows as "away"
[04:41:21] *** Tobias shows as "away"
[04:47:40] *** moparisthebest shows as "online"
[05:01:03] *** daniel has joined the room
[05:02:33] *** SamWhited has left the room
[05:06:26] *** Dave has left the room
[05:06:56] *** Dave shows as "online"
[05:22:52] *** Dave has left the room
[05:23:51] *** Dave shows as "online"
[05:24:08] *** Dave has left the room
[05:24:56] *** Tobias shows as "away"
[05:25:01] *** Tobias shows as "away"
[05:25:52] *** Dave shows as "online"
[05:28:53] *** Tobias has left the room
[05:39:44] *** Tobias shows as "away"
[05:39:49] *** Tobias shows as "away"
[05:41:04] *** jonasw shows as "online"
[05:42:14] *** jonasw shows as "away"
[05:44:44] *** jonasw shows as "online"
[05:57:53] *** Tobias shows as "online"
[05:57:56] *** Tobias shows as "online"
[06:08:11] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[06:08:15] *** ralphm has left the room
[06:27:46] *** ralphm has left the room
[06:27:47] *** ralphm has joined the room
[06:44:46] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[06:52:46] *** moparisthebest has left the room
[06:53:52] *** Dave has left the room
[06:55:10] *** moparisthebest shows as "online"
[06:55:52] *** Dave shows as "online"
[06:58:21] *** Dave has left the room
[06:58:40] *** Dave shows as "online"
[07:02:06] *** Dave has left the room
[07:02:16] *** Dave shows as "online"
[07:03:31] *** Dave has left the room
[07:05:15] *** Dave shows as "online"
[07:07:07] *** Zash has joined the room
[07:07:31] *** Dave has left the room
[07:08:41] *** Dave shows as "online"
[07:11:19] *** Dave has left the room
[07:11:52] *** daniel has left the room
[07:11:55] *** Dave shows as "online"
[07:13:04] *** Dave has left the room
[07:13:14] *** Dave shows as "online"
[07:15:20] *** Dave has left the room
[07:15:30] *** Dave shows as "online"
[07:16:48] *** Dave has left the room
[07:18:10] *** Dave shows as "online"
[07:19:19] *** Dave has left the room
[07:20:37] *** Dave shows as "online"
[07:21:31] *** Dave has left the room
[07:22:46] *** Dave shows as "online"
[07:23:40] *** Dave has left the room
[07:23:49] *** Dave shows as "online"
[07:27:08] *** Dave has left the room
[07:28:15] *** Dave shows as "online"
[07:29:10] *** Dave has left the room
[07:32:46] *** Dave shows as "online"
[07:35:13] *** Dave has left the room
[07:35:43] *** Dave shows as "online"
[07:36:17] *** Dave has left the room
[07:36:28] *** Dave shows as "online"
[07:39:46] *** Dave has left the room
[07:40:17] *** Dave shows as "online"
[07:41:49] *** Dave has left the room
[07:43:47] *** Dave shows as "online"
[07:45:10] *** Dave has left the room
[07:45:59] *** Kev has joined the room
[07:46:03] *** Kev shows as "online"
[07:48:08] *** Dave shows as "online"
[07:49:45] *** Dave has left the room
[07:51:37] *** Dave shows as "online"
[07:52:05] *** Dave has left the room
[07:52:20] *** Dave shows as "online"
[07:53:35] *** Dave has left the room
[07:53:44] *** Dave shows as "online"
[07:56:57] *** Dave has left the room
[07:58:03] *** Dave shows as "online"
[07:59:04] *** Dave has left the room
[08:00:28] *** Dave shows as "online"
[08:01:06] *** ralphm has left the room
[08:01:36] *** Dave has left the room
[08:03:43] *** Dave shows as "online"
[08:03:56] *** Dave has left the room
[08:04:20] *** Dave shows as "online"
[08:07:04] *** Dave has left the room
[08:09:49] *** Dave shows as "online"
[08:10:58] *** Dave has left the room
[08:14:00] *** Dave shows as "online"
[08:15:41] *** Dave has left the room
[08:16:26] *** Dave shows as "online"
[08:20:23] *** Dave has left the room
[08:20:54] *** Dave shows as "online"
[08:23:28] *** Dave has left the room
[08:23:48] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[08:26:34] *** Dave shows as "online"
[08:28:05] *** Dave has left the room
[08:30:05] *** ralphm shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 5 min)"
[08:30:19] *** Dave shows as "online"
[08:31:15] *** Dave has left the room
[08:32:31] *** Dave shows as "online"
[08:33:25] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[08:35:04] *** Dave has left the room
[08:36:49] *** daniel has joined the room
[08:37:34] *** Dave shows as "online"
[08:39:07] *** Dave has left the room
[08:39:42] *** moparisthebest shows as "online"
[08:40:55] *** Dave shows as "online"
[08:42:52] *** Dave has left the room
[08:43:01] *** Dave shows as "online"
[08:43:13] *** ralphm shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 5 min)"
[08:44:57] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[08:50:17] *** daniel shows as "online"
[08:52:12] *** daniel has left the room
[09:12:03] *** ralphm shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 5 min)"
[09:13:15] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[09:19:49] *** ralphm shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 5 min)"
[09:24:42] *** moparisthebest shows as "online"
[09:29:49] *** ralphm shows as "xa" and his status message is " (Not available as a result of being idle more than 15 min)"
[09:45:43] *** Kev shows as "away"
[09:47:23] *** Kev shows as "online"
[09:48:19] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[09:54:33] *** daniel shows as "online"
[09:56:22] *** Tobias shows as "online"
[09:56:29] *** Tobias shows as "online"
[09:56:44] *** ralphm shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 15 min)"
[09:58:53] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[10:04:49] *** ralphm shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 5 min)"
[10:05:42] *** Tobias shows as "away"
[10:06:08] *** daniel has left the room
[10:14:49] *** ralphm shows as "xa" and his status message is " (Not available as a result of being idle more than 15 min)"
[10:16:20] *** daniel shows as "online"
[10:19:25] *** Tobias shows as "away"
[10:20:09] *** Tobias shows as "online"
[10:21:14] *** Tobias shows as "online"
[10:22:55] *** Tobias has left the room
[10:23:05] *** daniel has left the room
[10:24:20] *** jere has joined the room
[10:31:01] *** daniel shows as "online"
[10:31:18] *** jere has left the room
[10:31:24] *** jere has joined the room
[10:36:22] *** Holger shows as "online" and his status message is "I'm available"
[10:36:57] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[10:45:00] *** daniel shows as "online"
[10:46:19] <Kev> Just 122 and 92 ending their CfE?
[10:51:42] *** daniel has left the room
[10:56:34] *** daniel shows as "online"
[10:57:14] *** Dave has left the room
[10:57:28] *** Dave shows as "online"
[10:58:21] *** SamWhited has joined the room
[11:01:28] *** MattJ shows as "online"
[11:04:43] *** ralphm shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 5 min)"
[11:05:20] *** Zash shows as "online"
[11:05:22] *** Zash shows as "online"
[11:11:38] *** moparisthebest shows as "online"
[11:12:06] *** Syndace has joined the room
[11:14:43] *** ralphm shows as "xa" and his status message is " (Not available as a result of being idle more than 15 min)"
[11:21:45] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[11:25:28] *** Zash has left the room
[11:28:37] *** Syndace shows as "online"
[11:29:47] *** Zash shows as "online"
[11:46:03] *** ralphm shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 5 min)"
[11:48:37] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[11:49:05] *** Kev shows as "away"
[11:51:10] *** Syndace shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 5 min)"
[11:52:50] *** Syndace shows as "online"
[12:01:36] *** moparisthebest has left the room
[12:03:46] *** Kev shows as "online"
[12:04:04] *** Syndace shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 5 min)"
[12:04:55] *** moparisthebest shows as "online"
[12:05:18] *** Syndace shows as "online"
[12:12:27] *** daniel has left the room
[12:12:30] *** daniel shows as "online"
[12:15:22] *** Syndace shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 5 min)"
[12:17:33] *** ralphm shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 5 min)"
[12:18:53] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[12:24:17] *** daniel has left the room
[12:24:21] *** daniel shows as "online"
[12:25:22] *** Syndace shows as "xa" and his status message is " (Not available as a result of being idle more than 15 min)"
[12:25:51] *** Zash has left the room
[12:26:08] *** jere has joined the room
[12:26:15] *** ralphm shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 5 min)"
[12:27:26] *** Zash shows as "online"
[12:29:11] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[12:36:24] *** Syndace shows as "online"
[12:40:06] *** Kev shows as "away"
[12:42:32] *** Kev shows as "online"
[12:54:10] *** moparisthebest has left the room
[12:57:38] *** moparisthebest shows as "online"
[12:58:45] *** Holger shows as "away" and his status message is "I'm away"
[13:02:05] *** vanitasvitae shows as "online"
[13:02:54] *** Holger shows as "online" and his status message is "I'm available"
[13:02:59] *** vanitasvitae has left the room
[13:03:20] *** ralphm shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 15 min)"
[13:06:56] *** Zash has left the room
[13:06:56] *** Zash has left the room
[13:07:09] *** Zash has joined the room
[13:07:09] *** Zash shows as "online"
[13:07:24] *** jonasw shows as "away"
[13:07:50] *** Zash shows as "online"
[13:12:50] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[13:18:16] *** daniel has left the room
[13:18:47] *** daniel shows as "online"
[13:29:05] *** daniel has left the room
[13:29:09] *** daniel shows as "online"
[13:30:35] *** SamWhited has joined the room
[13:52:03] *** ralphm shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 5 min)"
[13:52:05] *** MattJ shows as "away"
[13:52:51] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[13:58:33] *** ralphm shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 5 min)"
[13:59:19] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[13:59:32] *** MattJ shows as "online"
[13:59:50] *** MattJ shows as "away"
[13:59:51] *** MattJ shows as "online"
[14:00:52] *** ralphm shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 15 min)"
[14:02:25] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[14:04:26] *** Syndace shows as "online"
[14:11:52] *** vanitasvitae shows as "online"
[14:14:50] *** Holger shows as "away" and his status message is "Auto-away (idle)"
[14:16:43] *** ralphm shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 5 min)"
[14:17:48] *** Holger shows as "online" and his status message is "I'm available"
[14:18:25] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[14:22:27] *** Syndace shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 5 min)"
[14:25:45] *** ralphm shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 5 min)"
[14:27:05] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[14:27:39] *** Syndace shows as "online"
[14:27:46] *** daniel has left the room
[14:29:46] *** daniel shows as "online"
[14:32:07] *** ralphm shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 5 min)"
[14:32:27] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[14:33:30] *** SamWhited shows as "online"
[14:34:43] *** SamWhited shows as "online"
[14:38:17] *** SamWhited has left the room
[14:38:18] *** vanitasvitae has left the room
[14:42:13] *** ralphm shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 5 min)"
[14:43:07] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[14:44:38] *** jonasw shows as "online"
[14:45:03] *** Syndace shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 5 min)"
[14:45:33] *** Syndace shows as "online"
[14:49:28] *** SamWhited shows as "online"
[14:50:33] *** Syndace shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 5 min)"
[14:50:53] *** ralphm shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 15 min)"
[14:51:15] *** peter has joined the room
[14:51:56] *** SamWhited has left the room
[14:52:04] *** SamWhited has joined the room
[14:53:25] *** Ge0rG has joined the room
[14:54:32] *** SamWhited shows as "online"
[14:59:25] *** Syndace shows as "online"
[15:01:49] <Ge0rG> Is it this time of the week again?
[15:03:28] *** Dave shows as "online"
[15:03:51] <Dave> Hiya folks.
[15:03:56] <Dave> So:
[15:04:17] <Dave> a) I was off sick much fo the week (and in meetings solidly all day) so I failed to prepare an agenda.
[15:04:32] <Dave> b) The meeting is at quarter past the hour (in about ten minutes).
[15:04:52] <Dave> c) It is, AFAIK, just 122 and 92 for Advancement to Final, as far as I'm aware.
[15:04:59] *SamWhited quickly goes to make a pot of coffee, but will be back in time hopefully
[15:06:13] *** Dave has left the room
[15:06:31] *** Dave shows as "online"
[15:07:42] <Kev> Quarter past we agreed on.
[15:07:50] <Kev> Ah, what Dave said.
[15:08:57] *** Dave has left the room
[15:10:07] *** Dave shows as "online"
[15:10:25] <SamWhited> Oh, although, I wasn't sure yet at the time, but I am now working from home so I can do on the hour now if people would prefer.
[15:10:48] <SamWhited> No more bus into the office at this time.
[15:11:37] <Dave> Oh, that's good. I prefer on the hour - mostly because it's easier to block out the time.
[15:11:48] <Kev> Same.
[15:12:08] *** peter shows as "away" and his status message is "Auto Status (idle)"
[15:12:22] <Ge0rG> I'm indifferent to that
[15:12:31] *** Dave has left the room
[15:13:44] *** Dave shows as "online"
[15:14:31] <Dave> So, shall we?
[15:14:42] <Dave> Oh, thirty seconds early...
[15:14:46] <Kev> Her.
[15:14:49] <Kev> Here.
[15:14:55] <Dave> 1) Role Call:
[15:15:00] <daniel> here
[15:15:06] <SamWhited> o/
[15:15:18] <Dave> Ge0rG, for the record?
[15:15:20] <Ge0rG> 🙋
[15:16:03] <Dave> 2) Minutes
[15:16:07] <Dave> I'll do these this week.
[15:16:11] *** Dave has left the room
[15:16:16] <Dave> 3) Agenda Bashing
[15:16:49] <Dave> I think we just have the Advancement of XEP-0092 and XEP-0122, plus any outstanding votes from last week.
[15:17:06] <Dave> Any objections to that?
[15:17:20] <SamWhited> No objection
[15:17:36] <Kev> Newp
[15:17:46] <Ge0rG> Let's go
[15:17:54] *** ralphm has joined the room
[15:18:11] <Dave> 4) XEP-0122: Data Forms Validation
[15:18:18] <Dave> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0122.html
[15:18:34] <Kev> Following my review of this this morning, I kinda feel like it's close to being ready, but not quite.
[15:18:40] *** jere has joined the room
[15:18:56] *** Dave shows as "online"
[15:19:14] <Dave> It's not actually clear to me it has the implementations. I know of only the one. Was another mentioned in the CFE?
[15:19:29] <Kev> Twas, yes. Let me check my cfe folder
[15:19:52] <daniel> another besides smacks?
[15:19:56] <Ge0rG> Multiple, but I would have wished for more details than just the name of the software
[15:19:59] <Kev> Smack. The one you mentioned. eyeCU/Vacuum-IM
[15:20:03] <Ge0rG> > At least in [1]eyeCU and [2]Vacuum-IM.
[15:20:09] <Dave> Ah, cool.
[15:20:26] <Dave> Oh, the one I'm thinking of might actually just be using Smack then.
[15:20:41] <SamWhited> This one seems too complicated to me, I wouldn't block it from going to final on those grounds I don't think, since it's not likely to get simpler, but I probably would never implement it.
[15:20:47] <Kev> But looking at my comments, I suspected that the existing implementations are probably non-compliant because of a silly SHOULD in there.
[15:21:13] <Kev> Incidentally, I think 'implemented in a library but not used in a project' likely shouldn't count as an implementation, for our purposes.
[15:21:19] <SamWhited> Given the list discussion I'm with Kev: it's not ready yet.
[15:21:27] <Dave> So I'm feeling like a 0 here. I wouldn't actively support its Advancement, but I wouldn't block.
[15:21:43] <Dave> Anyone else with a vote?
[15:21:45] <SamWhited> … wait for it… wait for it…
[15:21:48] <SamWhited> I think we should deprecate it.
[15:22:24] <Dave> SamWhited, I'm quite fiercly against that. Actively used, and it's seeing value. Besides, we're not voting on that. :-)
[15:22:30] <daniel> I'm leaning towards +1
[15:22:47] <daniel> probably clean up the thing Kev mentions
[15:22:50] <Dave> Kev, Ge0rG SamWhited - votes, please.
[15:22:54] <Kev> I think we should advance it, but I think it should have another edit pass first. At least we should confirm whether any of the implementations are actually compliant with the probably-daft SHOULD.
[15:22:56] <SamWhited> -0
[15:23:10] <Kev> So I'm -1 right now, noting that's a current-state rather than principle vote.
[15:23:12] <Ge0rG> +0 because of what Kev said
[15:23:47] <Ge0rG> I probably should ask Konstantin how exactly it is used in eyeCU
[15:23:53] <Dave> 5) XEP-0092: Software Version
[15:23:59] <Dave> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0092.html
[15:24:07] <Kev> I'm not sure this has the implementations...
[15:24:23] <Kev> +1
[15:24:38] <Ge0rG> +1
[15:24:38] <Dave> Kev, :-P
[15:24:39] <Kev> (Letting Dave block himself for his security concern, which seems reasonable)
[15:24:42] <SamWhited> +1, this one seems relatively straight forward and I know I've used it before and found it strictly "good enough"
[15:24:45] <daniel> +1
[15:25:22] <Dave> Indeed, I'm vetoing for security concerns. Interestingly, Matthew Miller told me that Cisco's implementation is very strict in how (and if) it responds.
[15:25:47] <Dave> I'm guessing I'll need to do a patch myself with the wording, mind.
[15:25:53] <jonasw> Dave, what would be needed to fix that? make <version/> etc. non-required?
[15:26:02] <Ge0rG> wouldn't "if" violate the RFC?
[15:26:16] <Dave> jonasw, No, just note that it might give sensitive information, so implementations might choose not to respond.
[15:26:44] <jonasw> Dave, "not to respond" should be "respond with an error"
[15:26:55] *** ralphm has joined the room
[15:26:58] <Dave> Ge0rG, No, it responds with service-unavailable I assume.
[15:27:15] <Ge0rG> Dave: that'd be sane
[15:27:17] <moparisthebest> web servers usually let you set something custom there, or skip sending version
[15:27:28] <moparisthebest> both of which could be done in existing XEP
[15:27:35] <Dave> 6) Outstanding Votes
[15:27:42] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[15:27:55] <Dave> So, looking at the Spreadsheet Of Doom: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AZ-Sna6OiRG--b-mJMKv3XXfrn3Nehm0kAtlyJvImL0/edit
[15:28:19] <Dave> daniel, Any votes here for last week's items?
[15:28:33] <daniel> no will have to do that on list
[15:28:55] <Dave> SamWhited, Ge0rG : I think you were unsure which, if any, of the XEP-0050 item to do?
[15:28:57] *** Syndace shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 5 min)"
[15:29:04] <Dave> daniel, OK.
[15:29:22] <SamWhited> I thought I had something, but my tab is empty so I still haven't done it, sorry about that.
[15:29:38] <Dave> SamWhited, Always possible I missed something, I can check logs.
[15:29:48] <Dave> 7) AOB
[15:29:57] <jonasw> Dave, sorry, I haven’t gotten around processing XEP-0050
[15:29:57] <Dave> Anyone got anything?
[15:30:10] <jonasw> no wait, I’m confusing that with the pubsub thing, nevermind
[15:30:27] <Kev> Nope. I submitted IM-NG this afternoon, but it's not hit the inbox yet (only a few minutes ago)
[15:30:38] <Ge0rG> Dave: I 'onlist'ed because Kev wanted to sort out the PRs.
[15:30:54] <Dave> Kev, I was really hoping jonasw wouldn't get to that before the meeting.
[15:30:58] <SamWhited> ahh, yah, I had the same things as Ge0rG
[15:31:10] <Kev> I have yet to sort out the xep50 stuff.
[15:31:11] <Dave> Right. Makes sense.
[15:31:22] <Dave> Assuming no further AOB.
[15:31:26] <Kev> But everyone was encouraged to go read and understand the issue.
[15:31:26] <Dave> 8) Next meeting
[15:31:41] <Kev> 15:00Z?
[15:31:41] <Dave> 1500UTC Next Wednesday?
[15:31:47] <SamWhited> +1w - 15m WFM
[15:31:47] <Kev> WFM
[15:32:09] <Dave> Ge0rG, daniel - OK with you?
[15:32:16] *** peter shows as "xa" and his status message is "Auto Status (idle)"
[15:32:23] <daniel> yes
[15:32:33] *** daniel has left the room
[15:32:46] <Ge0rG> OK
[15:32:50] <Dave> 9) Ite, Meeting Est.
[15:32:52] <Dave> Thanks all.
[15:32:54] *** Dave has left the room
[15:33:04] *** Dave shows as "online"
[15:33:12] <Kev> You know, Jonas had merged IM-NG before the end of the meeting... :)
[15:33:31] <jonasw> Kev, but it’s not on the website yet
[15:33:33] *** Syndace shows as "online"
[15:33:37] <Kev> I know :)
[15:33:38] <jonasw> that’ll take another hour
[15:33:42] <jonasw> :)
[15:34:28] *Zash cries over all the CPU cycles
[15:34:33] *** Zash shows as "online"
[15:34:44] <jonasw> Zash, rightfully so.
[15:41:04] *** daniel shows as "online"
[15:42:50] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[15:43:05] *** peter shows as "online"
[15:44:34] *** Dave has left the room
[15:48:00] *** Dave shows as "online"
[15:49:35] *** jere has left the room
[15:49:53] *** peter has left the room
[15:51:32] *** jere has joined the room
[15:58:28] *** guus.der.kinderen has joined the room
[15:59:01] *** Syndace shows as "online"
[16:01:13] <guus.der.kinderen> Could someone adjust the calendar item for the council meetings please? It currently is scheduled for now.
[16:01:34] <Zash> Timezones! DST! YAY!!!
[16:01:35] *** Dave has left the room
[16:02:08] *** Dave shows as "online"
[16:04:29] *** Dave has left the room
[16:05:37] <Dave> https://github.com/xsf/xeps/issues/616 by the way, jonasw.
[16:05:42] *** Dave shows as "online"
[16:06:02] <jonasw> Dave, <3
[16:06:06] *** SamWhited has left the room
[16:06:18] <jonasw> I’d merge the PR from JC before accepting the ProtoXEP if that’s fine with everyone?
[16:06:21] <jonasw> that would address daniels concerns
[16:06:29] <jonasw> cc @ Ge0rG, SamWhited, daniel, Kev
[16:06:40] <Dave> jonasw, Whichever - he's an author so it can be done whenever's cnvenient.
[16:07:04] *** Dave has left the room
[16:07:05] <jonasw> Dave, I suspected that much
[16:07:33] *** SamWhited has joined the room
[16:07:54] *** SamWhited shows as "online"
[16:07:58] <Dave> jonasw, I suppose I'd marginally prefer to publish the original and then publish the change immediately afterward to maintain the history, but it's not a hill to die on.
[16:08:08] *** Dave shows as "online"
[16:08:30] <jonasw> Dave, I was thinking of doing that, but eliding the first email
[16:08:31] <daniel> as long as we don’t publish and the forget about it i'm fine with both
[16:08:34] <jonasw> so it’ll be NEW, but with 0.1.1
[16:12:48] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[16:15:44] *** Dave has left the room
[16:17:35] *** Dave shows as "online"
[16:18:02] *** ralphm has left the room
[16:18:03] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[16:22:21] *** Dave has left the room
[16:22:43] *** Dave shows as "online"
[16:24:58] <jonasw> Dave, I don’t know how reliable github notifications are for you, so pinging you here too: https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/608/commits/e18bb0387c3c13fe776ff6c96189bf41a0f12e62
[16:25:01] <jonasw> (updated my XEP-0223 PR)
[16:32:21] *** Dave has left the room
[16:33:12] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[16:34:05] *** Dave shows as "online"
[16:34:30] *** Tobias shows as "away"
[16:34:50] *** Tobias shows as "online"
[16:37:48] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[16:43:05] *** ralphm has left the room
[16:44:08] *** guus.der.kinderen shows as "online"
[16:47:47] *** ralphm has joined the room
[16:49:59] *** Dave has left the room
[16:50:32] *** ralphm has left the room
[16:50:34] *** ralphm has joined the room
[16:52:05] *** Dave shows as "online"
[16:53:21] *** SamWhited has left the room
[16:53:26] *** SamWhited shows as "online"
[16:54:56] *** Dave has left the room
[16:55:45] *** guus.der.kinderen has left the room
[16:55:54] *** daniel has left the room
[16:56:01] *** daniel shows as "online"
[16:56:13] *** Dave shows as "online"
[16:56:41] *** Syndace shows as "online"
[17:00:01] *** Dave shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 5 min)"
[17:00:19] *** Dave has left the room
[17:00:19] *** Dave shows as "online"
[17:01:16] *** Dave has left the room
[17:01:51] *** Dave shows as "online"
[17:08:22] *** Tobias shows as "online"
[17:08:30] *** Tobias shows as "online"
[17:10:01] *** Dave shows as "xa" and his status message is " (Not available as a result of being idle more than 15 min)"
[17:11:50] *** MattJ shows as "away"
[17:15:05] *** Syndace shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 5 min)"
[17:17:03] *** SamWhited has left the room
[17:21:09] *** guus.der.kinderen shows as "online"
[17:21:23] *** guus.der.kinderen shows as "online"
[17:22:27] *** Lance has joined the room
[17:22:28] *** Lance shows as "online"
[17:22:53] *** Dave has left the room
[17:22:58] *** Dave shows as "online"
[17:23:34] *** Dave has left the room
[17:23:35] *** Dave shows as "online"
[17:24:07] *** Dave has left the room
[17:25:05] *** Syndace shows as "xa" and his status message is " (Not available as a result of being idle more than 15 min)"
[17:25:09] *** Dave shows as "online"
[17:26:52] *** SouL has left the room
[17:26:54] *** SouL shows as "online"
[17:27:02] *** Tobias shows as "online"
[17:27:12] *** Tobias shows as "online"
[17:28:58] *** Kev shows as "away"
[17:29:33] *** Dave has left the room
[17:29:35] *** Dave shows as "online"
[17:30:02] *** Dave has left the room
[17:30:45] *** Dave shows as "online"
[17:31:45] *** guus.der.kinderen has left the room
[17:37:49] *** Holger shows as "away" and his status message is "I'm away"
[17:37:49] *** guus.der.kinderen has left the room
[17:37:50] *** guus.der.kinderen shows as "online"
[17:39:14] *** peter has joined the room
[17:42:37] *** Tobias shows as "online"
[17:42:45] *** Tobias shows as "online"
[17:43:11] *** Holger shows as "online" and his status message is "I'm available"
[17:45:30] *** Tobias has left the room
[17:46:35] *** Dave has left the room
[17:48:24] *** Dave shows as "online"
[17:49:45] *** guus.der.kinderen has left the room
[17:50:34] *** Dave has left the room
[17:53:37] *** ralphm has joined the room
[17:53:58] *** Dave shows as "online"
[17:56:16] *** Dave has left the room
[17:57:56] *** peter shows as "away" and his status message is "Auto Status (idle)"
[17:58:31] *** Dave shows as "online"
[17:58:39] *** peter shows as "online"
[18:00:00] *** Dave shows as "online"
[18:04:41] *** Holger shows as "away" and his status message is "Auto-away (idle)"
[18:11:59] *** peter shows as "away" and his status message is "Auto Status (idle)"
[18:14:03] *** Tobias shows as "online"
[18:14:09] *** Tobias shows as "online"
[18:15:46] *** Dave has left the room
[18:16:16] *** Dave shows as "online"
[18:16:26] *** peter shows as "online"
[18:18:50] *** Syndace shows as "online"
[18:19:35] *** Dave has left the room
[18:22:07] *** Dave shows as "online"
[18:23:55] *** Dave has left the room
[18:24:10] *** Dave shows as "online"
[18:27:02] *** peter shows as "away" and his status message is "Auto Status (idle)"
[18:27:47] *** Dave has left the room
[18:28:11] *** Dave shows as "online"
[18:35:37] *** Dave has left the room
[18:36:13] *** Lance has left the room
[18:39:00] *** Dave shows as "online"
[18:41:20] *** Holger shows as "online" and his status message is "I'm available"
[18:42:07] *** jonasw shows as "away"
[18:46:07] *** Dave has left the room
[18:47:10] *** peter shows as "xa" and his status message is "Auto Status (idle)"
[18:49:06] *** Lance has joined the room
[18:49:08] *** Lance shows as "online"
[18:49:19] *** Dave shows as "online"
[18:53:25] *** Dave shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 5 min)"
[18:54:01] *** Dave has left the room
[18:54:26] *** Dave shows as "online"
[18:56:19] *** Dave has left the room
[19:00:08] *** Dave shows as "online"
[19:02:23] *** daniel has left the room
[19:02:29] *** daniel shows as "online"
[19:02:59] *** Dave has left the room
[19:03:19] *** Dave shows as "online"
[19:03:25] *** Dave shows as "xa" and his status message is " (Not available as a result of being idle more than 15 min)"
[19:06:57] *** daniel has left the room
[19:07:01] *** daniel shows as "online"
[19:08:10] *** peter shows as "online"
[19:08:22] *** peter has left the room
[19:14:37] *** Zash has left the room
[19:19:26] *** Zash shows as "online"
[19:19:37] *** Dave has left the room
[19:21:10] *** Dave shows as "online"
[19:23:03] *** Dave has left the room
[19:23:39] *** Dave shows as "online"
[19:28:54] *** Dave has left the room
[19:29:05] *** Dave shows as "online"
[19:31:38] *** Tobias shows as "online"
[19:31:51] *** Tobias shows as "online"
[19:33:46] *** ralphm has joined the room
[19:35:37] *** Dave has left the room
[19:36:58] *** Dave shows as "online"
[19:41:57] *** Dave has left the room
[19:42:08] *** Dave shows as "online"
[19:43:47] *** Dave has left the room
[19:43:50] *** Dave shows as "online"
[19:45:25] *** Dave has left the room
[19:45:39] *** Dave shows as "online"
[19:51:00] *** Dave has left the room
[19:51:30] *** Dave shows as "online"
[19:54:33] *** Dave has left the room
[19:55:52] *** Dave shows as "online"
[20:00:37] *** Dave has left the room
[20:01:34] *** daniel has left the room
[20:01:46] *** Dave shows as "online"
[20:10:53] *** Syndace shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 5 min)"
[20:16:10] *** daniel has left the room
[20:20:53] *** Syndace shows as "xa" and his status message is " (Not available as a result of being idle more than 15 min)"
[20:21:14] *** daniel shows as "online"
[20:22:05] *** Syndace shows as "online"
[20:26:28] *** Dave has left the room
[20:26:36] *** Dave shows as "online"
[20:27:07] *** Dave has left the room
[20:28:05] *** Dave shows as "online"
[20:29:08] *** daniel has left the room
[20:32:13] *** Dave has left the room
[20:35:09] *** Dave shows as "online"
[20:35:48] *** Dave has left the room
[20:36:20] *** daniel shows as "online"
[20:38:04] *** Dave shows as "online"
[20:38:34] *** Dave has left the room
[20:38:43] *** Dave shows as "online"
[20:40:13] *** Dave has left the room
[20:42:18] *** Dave shows as "online"
[20:42:41] *** Tobias shows as "online"
[20:42:47] *** Tobias shows as "online"
[20:43:01] *** Lance shows as "away"
[20:46:26] *** Dave has left the room
[20:46:28] *** daniel has left the room
[20:46:32] *** daniel shows as "online"
[20:46:48] *** Dave shows as "online"
[20:47:46] *** ralphm has left the room
[20:47:47] *** ralphm has joined the room
[20:48:29] *** Dave has left the room
[20:49:42] *** Dave shows as "online"
[20:51:19] *** Dave has left the room
[20:51:21] *** Lance shows as "online"
[20:52:03] *** Syndace shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 5 min)"
[20:52:05] *** Dave shows as "online"
[20:55:34] *** daniel has left the room
[20:57:15] *** Syndace shows as "online"
[20:58:04] *** ralphm has left the room
[20:58:06] *** ralphm has joined the room
[20:58:35] *** Dave has left the room
[20:59:31] *** Dave shows as "online"
[20:59:55] *** Dave has left the room
[21:00:06] *** Dave shows as "online"
[21:00:21] *** Dave has left the room
[21:00:39] *** Dave shows as "online"
[21:01:02] *** Dave has left the room
[21:01:07] *** daniel shows as "online"
[21:01:41] *** Dave shows as "online"
[21:01:49] *** Lance shows as "away"
[21:02:02] *** Dave has left the room
[21:02:13] *** Dave shows as "online"
[21:02:19] *** Syndace shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 5 min)"
[21:02:51] *** Syndace shows as "online"
[21:04:53] *** vanitasvitae has left the room
[21:05:49] *** Lance shows as "online"
[21:05:55] *** Dave has left the room
[21:06:11] *** Dave shows as "online"
[21:06:51] *** vanitasvitae has joined the room
[21:07:06] *** daniel has left the room
[21:07:55] *** Syndace shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 5 min)"
[21:08:29] *** Dave has left the room
[21:09:31] *** Dave shows as "online"
[21:09:45] *** Dave has left the room
[21:09:53] *** Dave shows as "online"
[21:10:56] *** Dave has left the room
[21:11:36] *** Dave shows as "online"
[21:13:03] *** Syndace shows as "online"
[21:16:12] *** daniel shows as "online"
[21:19:34] *** Dave has left the room
[21:20:17] *** Dave shows as "online"
[21:23:11] *** Tobias shows as "online"
[21:23:16] *** Tobias shows as "online"
[21:24:01] *** daniel has left the room
[21:26:46] *** guus.der.kinderen shows as "online"
[21:26:47] *** guus.der.kinderen shows as "online"
[21:27:51] *** Dave has left the room
[21:28:21] *** Dave shows as "online"
[21:31:20] *** daniel shows as "online"
[21:33:16] *** Tobias has left the room
[21:36:07] *** Syndace shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 5 min)"
[21:36:50] *** guus.der.kinderen shows as "online"
[21:36:51] *** guus.der.kinderen has left the room
[21:36:51] *** guus.der.kinderen shows as "online"
[21:38:46] *** daniel has left the room
[21:42:56] *** daniel shows as "online"
[21:43:45] *** guus.der.kinderen has left the room
[21:46:07] *** Syndace shows as "xa" and his status message is " (Not available as a result of being idle more than 15 min)"
[21:46:45] *** guus.der.kinderen has left the room
[21:46:45] *** guus.der.kinderen has left the room
[21:55:07] *** peter has joined the room
[21:55:27] *** daniel has left the room
[21:57:10] *** Dave has left the room
[21:57:32] *** Dave shows as "online"
[22:01:26] *** daniel shows as "online"
[22:01:43] *** peter has left the room
[22:01:47] *** guus.der.kinderen shows as "online"
[22:01:47] *** guus.der.kinderen shows as "online"
[22:02:24] *** guus.der.kinderen has left the room
[22:02:25] *** guus.der.kinderen shows as "online"
[22:02:26] *** guus.der.kinderen shows as "online"
[22:03:29] *** jere has left the room
[22:03:52] *** jere has joined the room
[22:06:56] *** daniel has left the room
[22:10:13] *** Syndace shows as "online"
[22:13:45] *** guus.der.kinderen has left the room
[22:13:45] *** guus.der.kinderen has left the room
[22:13:45] *** guus.der.kinderen has left the room
[22:15:13] *** Syndace shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 5 min)"
[22:15:32] *** Dave has left the room
[22:15:39] *** Syndace shows as "online"
[22:18:28] *** Dave shows as "online"
[22:21:04] *** vanitasvitae has left the room
[22:21:23] *** daniel shows as "online"
[22:22:21] *** jere has left the room
[22:23:38] *** Dave has left the room
[22:24:31] *** Dave shows as "online"
[22:27:10] *** daniel has left the room
[22:29:55] *** Dave has left the room
[22:30:20] *** Tobias shows as "online"
[22:30:28] *** Tobias shows as "online"
[22:32:19] *** Dave shows as "online"
[22:32:38] *** Dave has left the room
[22:33:50] *** daniel shows as "online"
[22:35:33] *** Dave shows as "online"
[22:36:49] *** Tobias has left the room
[22:39:15] *** daniel has left the room
[22:41:24] *** daniel shows as "online"
[22:46:32] *** ralphm has left the room
[22:46:33] *** ralphm has joined the room
[22:48:03] *** daniel has left the room
[23:01:25] *** daniel shows as "online"
[23:02:26] *** guus.der.kinderen shows as "online"
[23:06:34] *** Holger shows as "away" and his status message is "Auto-away (idle)"
[23:13:45] *** guus.der.kinderen has left the room
[23:15:58] *** Zash has left the room
[23:27:02] *** guus.der.kinderen shows as "online"
[23:31:47] *** guus.der.kinderen shows as "online"
[23:33:32] *** Holger shows as "online" and his status message is "I'm available"
[23:36:30] *** daniel has left the room
[23:37:45] *** guus.der.kinderen has left the room
[23:39:14] *** Tobias shows as "online"
[23:39:20] *** Tobias shows as "online"
[23:41:29] *** daniel shows as "online"
[23:43:45] *** guus.der.kinderen has left the room
[23:52:35] *** daniel has left the room
[23:52:36] *** daniel shows as "online"