Wednesday, May 02, 2018
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XMPP Council Room | http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/xmpp-council/ | Room logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/council/ | https://trello.com/b/ww7zWMlI/xmpp-council-agenda

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[14:22:00] <Dave> I've spent the last 24 hours, it seems in meetings (last one last night finished at 10pm), and I have more to go - I'm sadly going to miss this week again.
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[15:00:08] <Kev> So, without Dave, who've we got?
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[15:02:28] *Ge0rG !
[15:02:42] <Kev> That's two. Anyone else?
[15:03:12] <jonasw> daniel, SamWhited?
[15:03:26] <daniel> I'm. Here
[15:03:42] <SamWhited> oops, partially here.
[15:03:50] <SamWhited> heading to my desk now.
[15:04:08] <Kev> Not that we have agenda, but, you know, quorum :)
[15:04:24] <Kev> 1) Roll call
I think we've done this
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[15:05:00] <Kev> I can't see anything obvious on the mailing list either.
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[15:05:15] <jonasw> has the xep-0050 debate been resolveds
[15:05:16] <Kev> So
2) Date of next
Next Wed?
[15:05:20] <jonasw> *resolved?
[15:05:34] <SamWhited> WFM
[15:05:38] <Kev> jonasw: Not exactly, but it's that neither of the curretn patches are getting merged.
[15:05:52] <Kev> And I think you've skipped to AOB early ;)
[15:06:09] <jonasw> Kev, I thought it’s AOB -> Date of next, not Date of next -> AOB, sorry :)
[15:06:14] <Ge0rG> I'd like to discuss 0050 some more indeed.
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[15:06:43] <Kev> Anyway, no-one's complaining about SBTSBC, so
[15:06:45] <Kev> 3) AOB
[15:07:03] <Ge0rG> I'm pretty sure I won't be able to attend next week
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[15:09:47] <Kev> No other AOB?
[15:09:53] <Ge0rG> Re 0050: the original design of having both an action and an attribute for what is the default action is sub-optimal.
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[15:09:53] <daniel> none from my side
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[15:10:12] <Kev> Ge0rG: Yes, that's why Dave's suggested, and I've agreed with, nuking it.
[15:10:24] <Ge0rG> Kev: nuking the default action, you mean?
[15:10:34] <Kev> If no-one here's disagreeing, I think we just need to move ahead and someone write words.
[15:10:40] <Ge0rG> it was brought up that it would be a breaking change.
[15:10:54] <Kev> All options are a breaking change at this point.
[15:11:04] <Ge0rG> And also that the <execute> action is still needed for initiating the flow
[15:11:05] <Kev> Becuase the current text is broken.
[15:11:08] <Kev> Yes.
[15:11:17] <Kev> So you'd have <execute> as the initiator, and not afterwards.
[15:11:27] <Ge0rG> I suppose I could live with that.
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[15:11:55] <Ge0rG> The current text is broken, but maybe there are already in-the-wild workarounds around its brokenness, which we would be breaking.
[15:12:38] <Kev> I think we can easily leave a note explaining what the old text said about <execute/> as a non-initiator, so implementations can be aware and do what they want to deal with that.
[15:13:03] <Ge0rG> great!
[15:13:05] <Kev> But this whole thread was started by the observation that things are broken in the wild because of the current text, so I think we do need to fix something.
[15:13:16] <Ge0rG> Yeah.
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[15:14:45] <Kev> Anyone else for anything else?
[15:15:34] <Kev> I'll take that as a "no". Thanks all.
[15:15:42] <Ge0rG> Thanks Kev
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