XSF logo XMPP Council - 2018-05-23


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  163. Kev Do we have a meeting now?
  164. Zash You gotta ask yourself, "Do I feel lucky ^W^W have a meeting now?"
  165. Dave Ooops. Yes.
  166. Kev Something like that, yes.
  167. Dave 1) Roll Call
  168. Kev I don't think we've got agendums, mind, although I might have missed them in the post-holiday-inbox-landslide
  169. Dave daniel, SamWhited
  170. Kev I'm here.
  171. Dave Kev, No, we don't - I deliberately stalled yesterday knowing there was the GDPR and TOS Proposals coming, but by the time they came I had my evening things to do, and today has been a nightmare.
  172. Dave Um. We may not be having a meeting after all.
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  174. Ge0rG Hi!
  175. Dave Hiya.
  176. Dave So it seems to be just the three of us, which is probably my fault for not having done the agenda.
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  178. Dave Rather than call it off entirely, the GDPR XEP - do we want to bounce that to Board?
  179. Kev I think this is a Board decision, even if the approving body needs to be Council for process's sake.
  180. Dave (I'm somewhat convinced that's where it should go, process or no process, because of the legal implications).
  181. Kev Council seems entirely unqualified as a body to be assessing legal situations, or the advice we give in response to them.
  182. Dave Ge0rG, If you agree, I'll flag it to Board now and let them "advise" us.
  183. daniel Ah sorry I'm here
  184. Kev I would far far prefer to see an update to XEP1 that allowed us to have an Informational Board XEP here.
  185. Kev I'm very grateful for the work people are putting into this, but I think it'd be irresponsible for Council to be the approving body here.
  186. Dave Kev, I'm inclined to agree.
  187. Dave I'm just going to go ahead and flag this one to Board, and call this meeting a bust.
  188. Ge0rG I'm not quite sure what the board is supposed to be more competent about than we are
  189. daniel Yes. While I'm also glad the information is available I don't think a xep is the right place for this
  190. Kev Ge0rG: Board are responsible for legal matters of the XSF.
  191. Dave Ge0rG, Well, it's their duty to be more competent about it than we are.
  192. Kev Ge0rG: Council are selected for their technical leadership.
  193. daniel I don't think either board or council this the necessary qualifications
  194. daniel But if Board wants to vote it and it's on them
  195. Kev daniel: If Board feel that they don't have the qualifications, and don't want to find someone who has to advise them, that's also 'ok'.
  196. daniel Right
  197. Ge0rG I haven't had the time to read the GDPR XEP yet, does it appear to contain legal advice we don't feel competent about?
  198. Dave Ge0rG, It's trying to avoid being legal advice. But any legal advice might be problematic.
  199. Kev Ge0rG: It doesn't say anything at the moment, which is also a problem.
  200. Kev Because publishing something with legal advice to be filling in later also seems irresponsible.
  201. daniel Whether or not it's _technically_ legal advice I'm not sure a xep is the right place for it. I might even go so far to argue that the xsf in general is the right place. Although if Board has a different opinion that's fine with me
  202. Ge0rG So we are voting now about delegating a XEP to Board that doesn't contain anything and that's supposed to contain advice in the future, with that advice being of apparently legal nature, without actually being of legal nature?
  203. Kev It's certainly advice of a legal nature (it's advice about the GDPR, which is law), but whether it's legal advice is another matter.
  204. Kev But yes, I think we should just kick it up to Board, and they can decide what the appropriate thing to do is.
  205. Zash Meta-question: Does XEP-0001 not have process for XEPs owned by Board? (Feel free to defer until end of meeting.)
  206. Kev Zash: Yes, but only Procedural
  207. Ge0rG Do we need a Legal Council now?
  208. Kev That would be Board.
  209. Dave Who can also get a Legal Counsel should they wish.
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  213. Kev Meeting done? SBTSBC? AOB?
  214. daniel I guess so
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  219. jonasw Council, I’d like to add IBR integration into the ToS ProtoXEP until the next meeting since you didn’t vote on it this time. Is that level of change fine with you?
  220. Kev I don't much care what happens before voting :)
  221. jonasw even if I update 10 minutes before the meeting? ;-)
  222. Kev Before it's on the agenda then, perhaps.
  223. Kev I really mean 'before I review it' :)
  224. jonasw I guessed that, so I might implicitly asking for your review timeline :)
  225. Kev Once it's on the Agenda.
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