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XMPP Council Room | http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/xmpp-council/ | Room logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/council/ | https://trello.com/b/ww7zWMlI/xmpp-council-agenda

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[15:00:25] <Kev> Do we have a meeting now?
[15:01:03] <Zash> You gotta ask yourself, "Do I feel lucky ^W^W have a meeting now?"
[15:01:11] <Dave> Ooops. Yes.
[15:01:12] <Kev> Something like that, yes.
[15:01:25] <Dave> 1) Roll Call
[15:01:34] <Kev> I don't think we've got agendums, mind, although I might have missed them in the post-holiday-inbox-landslide
[15:01:36] <Dave> daniel, SamWhited
[15:01:37] <Kev> I'm here.
[15:02:23] <Dave> Kev, No, we don't - I deliberately stalled yesterday knowing there was the GDPR and TOS Proposals coming, but by the time they came I had my evening things to do, and today has been a nightmare.
[15:02:51] <Dave> Um. We may not be having a meeting after all.
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[15:05:55] <Ge0rG> Hi!
[15:06:21] <Dave> Hiya.
[15:06:41] <Dave> So it seems to be just the three of us, which is probably my fault for not having done the agenda.
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[15:07:11] <Dave> Rather than call it off entirely, the GDPR XEP - do we want to bounce that to Board?
[15:07:38] <Kev> I think this is a Board decision, even if the approving body needs to be Council for process's sake.
[15:07:40] <Dave> (I'm somewhat convinced that's where it should go, process or no process, because of the legal implications).
[15:08:02] <Kev> Council seems entirely unqualified as a body to be assessing legal situations, or the advice we give in response to them.
[15:08:20] <Dave> Ge0rG, If you agree, I'll flag it to Board now and let them "advise" us.
[15:08:37] <daniel> Ah sorry I'm here
[15:08:55] <Kev> I would far far prefer to see an update to XEP1 that allowed us to have an Informational Board XEP here.
[15:10:05] <Kev> I'm very grateful for the work people are putting into this, but I think it'd be irresponsible for Council to be the approving body here.
[15:10:17] <Dave> Kev, I'm inclined to agree.
[15:10:38] <Dave> I'm just going to go ahead and flag this one to Board, and call this meeting a bust.
[15:10:46] <Ge0rG> I'm not quite sure what the board is supposed to be more competent about than we are
[15:11:01] <daniel> Yes. While I'm also glad the information is available I don't think a xep is the right place for this
[15:11:02] <Kev> Ge0rG: Board are responsible for legal matters of the XSF.
[15:11:11] <Dave> Ge0rG, Well, it's their duty to be more competent about it than we are.
[15:11:17] <Kev> Ge0rG: Council are selected for their technical leadership.
[15:11:29] <daniel> I don't think either board or council this the necessary qualifications
[15:11:47] <daniel> But if Board wants to vote it and it's on them
[15:11:53] <Kev> daniel: If Board feel that they don't have the qualifications, and don't want to find someone who has to advise them, that's also 'ok'.
[15:12:10] <daniel> Right
[15:13:34] <Ge0rG> I haven't had the time to read the GDPR XEP yet, does it appear to contain legal advice we don't feel competent about?
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[15:13:57] <Dave> Ge0rG, It's trying to avoid being legal advice. But any legal advice might be problematic.
[15:14:33] <Kev> Ge0rG: It doesn't say anything at the moment, which is also a problem.
[15:14:48] <Kev> Because publishing something with legal advice to be filling in later also seems irresponsible.
[15:16:53] <daniel> Whether or not it's _technically_ legal advice I'm not sure a xep is the right place for it. I might even go so far to argue that the xsf in general is the right place. Although if Board has a different opinion that's fine with me
[15:17:14] <Ge0rG> So we are voting now about delegating a XEP to Board that doesn't contain anything and that's supposed to contain advice in the future, with that advice being of apparently legal nature, without actually being of legal nature?
[15:18:01] <Kev> It's certainly advice of a legal nature (it's advice about the GDPR, which is law), but whether it's legal advice is another matter.
[15:18:19] <Kev> But yes, I think we should just kick it up to Board, and they can decide what the appropriate thing to do is.
[15:20:02] <Zash> Meta-question: Does XEP-0001 not have process for XEPs owned by Board? (Feel free to defer until end of meeting.)
[15:20:11] <Kev> Zash: Yes, but only Procedural
[15:21:36] <Ge0rG> Do we need a Legal Council now?
[15:21:42] <Kev> That would be Board.
[15:22:03] <Dave> Who can also get a Legal Counsel should they wish.
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[15:27:35] <Kev> Meeting done? SBTSBC? AOB?
[15:28:30] <daniel> I guess so
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[15:46:59] <jonasw> Council, I’d like to add IBR integration into the ToS ProtoXEP until the next meeting since you didn’t vote on it this time. Is that level of change fine with you?
[15:47:32] <Kev> I don't much care what happens before voting :)
[15:47:46] <jonasw> even if I update 10 minutes before the meeting? ;-)
[15:48:10] <Kev> Before it's on the agenda then, perhaps.
[15:48:25] <Kev> I really mean 'before I review it' :)
[15:52:29] <jonasw> I guessed that, so I might implicitly asking for your review timeline :)
[15:52:35] <Kev> Once it's on the Agenda.
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