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XMPP Council Room | https://xmpp.org/about/xmpp-standards-foundation#council | Room logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/council/ | https://trello.com/b/ww7zWMlI/xmpp-council-agenda

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[15:00:50] <Ge0rG> Is it that time again?
[15:00:56] <Kev> It is.
[15:01:10] <Kev> I don't think we have either an Agenda or a Dave, having just seen his message to standards@
[15:01:17] <Kev> So I guess it'll be short
[15:01:21] <Kev> 1) Baps
[15:01:24] <Kev> I'm here
[15:01:27] <daniel> hi
[15:01:35] <Ge0rG> πŸ™ŠπŸ™‰πŸ™ˆ
[15:02:06] <Kev> Well, that's quorum.
[15:02:12] <Kev> 2) Agenda bashing
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[15:02:23] <Ge0rG> Something something compression
[15:02:23] <Ge0rG> Something something compression
[15:02:39] <Kev> That's quite eloquent, but would you like to TL;DR?
[15:03:25] <Ge0rG> I think we need to revise the exact reasons for why Stream Compression is considered insecure and how to make it great again, then fix the XEP.
[15:03:42] <Kev> Is that a Council voting item?
[15:04:02] <Ge0rG> LZW is due for deprecation because of lack of security in compression
[15:04:22] <Ge0rG> Or were there additional reasons against LZW specifically?
[15:04:48] <daniel> no i don’t think so
[15:04:51] <Kev> Only that it's probably unused so we can deprecate that one more easily and make *some* progress.
[15:05:39] <Ge0rG> Why did we have LZW in the first place? Better compression ratio?
[15:05:58] <Ge0rG> Maybe we should add lzma or brotli then?
[15:06:15] <Zash> zstandard?
[15:07:55] <Kev> Ge0rG: What is your specific Council voting action here?
[15:08:24] <Ge0rG> Kev: I'm looking for the reasons behind the currently pending vote
[15:08:28] <Kev> If it's whether to deprecate or not, we did that last week and decided not to, but could do so again.
[15:08:45] <Ge0rG> Kev: I missed last week.
[15:08:56] <Kev> Tedd replied on list with the reasons he put the vote in the agenda.
[15:09:07] <Ge0rG> Yes. I've read those.
[15:09:58] <Ge0rG> I even vaguely remembered the initial call for feedback discussion, and that we considered all compression as flawed
[15:10:55] <Ge0rG> But then there's some discussion on standards about how useful compression is to have, so maybe we need to actually address the security issues. And then maybe LZW doesn't need to be killed?
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[15:11:27] <Ge0rG> Which is why I'm asking all these questions now.
[15:11:28] <SamWhited> Sorry, I'm here now too.
[15:11:40] <Kev> I think this is roughly repeating what we said last week, which was that compression is useful and we should fix it.
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[15:11:51] <Kev> But I don't think 'fixing it' is a Council voting item.
[15:11:52] <Kev> Hi Sam.
[15:12:36] <Ge0rG> Kev: under this premise, does it still make sense to get rid of LZW?
[15:12:58] <Kev> Probably not.
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[15:13:49] <Ge0rG> Is LZW a widely deployed compression method on the Jabber network?
[15:14:38] <Kev> NAFAIK
[15:15:04] <Zash> Mebbe CFE it? // the floor
[15:15:40] <Ge0rG> Now I actually don't remember what we decided last time.
[15:15:51] <Ge0rG> Did we CFE?
[15:16:03] <Kev> I think we should (not now) go ahead and fix compression, and then reconsider what to do about this.
[15:16:09] <Kev> Which is the same thing I thought last week.
[15:16:40] <Ge0rG> Great, let's do that.
[15:16:59] <Ge0rG> So I vote not to change anything right now.
[15:17:02] <Kev> Excellent, so that's nothing on the agenda then.
[15:17:15] <Kev> 3) Date of next
SBTSBC and Dave should be here next week?
[15:17:22] <SamWhited> WFM
[15:17:54] <Ge0rG> As good as this week for me.
[15:18:22] <daniel> i might be on a train or tram or something. but i'll try to make
[15:18:31] <Kev> 4) AOB?
[15:18:39] <Ge0rG> Pending votes?
[15:19:00] <Kev> You can give pending votes here if you want, or just on-list them.
[15:19:43] <Ge0rG> I might miss the two week deadline, by a short margin.
[15:20:07] <Ge0rG> But yes, on list is more practical
[15:20:21] <Kev> I think we're done then unless anyone shouts imminently?
[15:20:30] <Ge0rG> πŸ™Š
[15:20:38] <Kev> Right, thanks all.
[15:20:49] *Kev ganbs the vagel
[15:22:27] <Ge0rG> But please don't bagg the navel.
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