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XMPP Council Room | https://xmpp.org/about/xmpp-standards-foundation#council | Room logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/council/ | https://trello.com/b/ww7zWMlI/xmpp-council-agenda

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[14:57:43] <Ge0rG> Good morning. I'm here but will be probably interrupted in the middle of things.
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[14:58:48] <Ge0rG> -1 to https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/690 because the change makes the schema inconsistent with the text. We should fix that by making 'id' mandatory in both places, but I really don't want to version-bump over this.
[14:59:05] <Ge0rG> I'd be okay to changing it to a MUST without a version bump, because the protocol doesn't make sense otherwise.
[15:00:40] <Kev> It's time.
[15:00:48] <Kev> 1) Rolls
[15:00:50] <Kev> Here
[15:01:00] <Ge0rG> Still here. For now.
[15:01:09] <Kev> Dave sent apologies.
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[15:02:52] <Kev> daniel, SamWhited.
[15:03:10] <SamWhited> here, sorry
[15:03:19] <Ge0rG> SamWhited: no need to be sorry for being here
[15:03:22] <daniel> Hi
[15:03:36] <SamWhited> on phone, got stuck in traffic. May be slow to respond.
[15:04:04] <Kev> 2) https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/693
[15:04:37] <Kev> I didn't get a chance to review before the meeting, will onlist (for this and the following two)
[15:04:45] <SamWhited> +1
[15:05:01] <Ge0rG> I only just realized the three PRs 15mins ago
[15:05:03] <Ge0rG> onlist
[15:05:18] <daniel> On last
[15:05:22] <daniel> *List
[15:05:25] <SamWhited> ahh, switching between things is now very painful on Android 9
[15:06:22] <Kev> 3) https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/692
[15:06:25] <Kev> OL again.
[15:06:59] <SamWhited> OL
[15:07:24] <Ge0rG> OL as well, but with my lacking knowledge of PubSub I'll probably bring this up next meeting with further questions
[15:08:11] <Kev> daniel?
[15:08:19] <daniel> On list
[15:08:21] <Kev> 4) https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/690
[15:08:22] <Kev> Ol
[15:08:43] <daniel> On list
[15:08:47] <Ge0rG> -1 as written above, right before the meeting start
[15:09:16] <Ge0rG> For Tedd:
> -1 to https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/690 because the change makes the schema inconsistent with the text. We should fix that by making 'id' mandatory in both places, but I really don't want to version-bump over this.
> I'd be okay to changing it to a MUST without a version bump, because the protocol doesn't make sense otherwise.
[15:09:32] <Ge0rG> I'd like to hear what other Council members think of making the 'id' a MUST
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[15:09:54] <Ge0rG> ...and doing so without a bump.
[15:10:22] <SamWhited> OL
[15:10:25] <Ge0rG> and *if* we bump 0184, I'd also add multi-ACKs
[15:10:31] <daniel> A version or a name space bump?
[15:10:39] <daniel> What's the problem with version bumps
[15:11:05] <Ge0rG> daniel: is there a difference between version and namespace bumps?
[15:11:12] <Kev> Yes.
[15:11:15] <Ge0rG> the version is encoded in the namespace, isn't it?
[15:11:28] <Kev> Every change to the XEP has a version bump, most don't touch the namespace.
[15:11:33] <daniel> But you mean NS bump then
[15:11:42] <daniel> Yeah I wouldn't want to bump the ns
[15:11:51] <Ge0rG> I'm indifferent to bumping the version of the XEP document.
[15:12:08] <Ge0rG> That's not what causes interop to break ;)
[15:12:11] <peter> IIRC we didn't want to assume that everyone would want to do tracking, but I'd be OK with saying that if you send a <received/> element you MUST include an 'id' attribute.
[15:12:34] <Kev> It's fairly meaningless otherwise, or I'm being dense. 50:50.
[15:12:51] <Link Mauve> This is already implied by <request/> being optional in a message, btw.
[15:13:02] <Ge0rG> the alternative would be something like "a receipt without an 'id' is an acknowledge for all messages received so far OMG RACE CONDITIONS!!!"
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[15:13:24] <Link Mauve> In this PR I did interpret SHOULD as MUST, because it doesn’t make any sense otherwise. I can change it to the MUST it should always have been, in a future version.
[15:13:25] <peter> And I don't see a need for a namespace bump - an entity who gets a <received/> back might now get more information, which is nice but AFAICS doesn't break anything in the field.
[15:13:28] <Kev> I suppose you could build a synchronous system using receipts without ids.
[15:13:51] <Kev> peter: The argument for the bump would be that previously you'd be compliant without the id, but now you wouldn't be.
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[15:14:20] <Kev> I don't think the disruption is warranted here, but I think a note to the effect that you might receive one without because of previous versions would be sane.
[15:14:24] <peter> Sure.
[15:14:29] *peter nods
[15:14:41] <Link Mauve> Ack, I’ll update the PR with such a note.
[15:14:45] <Kev> Link Mauve: Ta muchly.
[15:14:53] <Ge0rG> Link Mauve: 👍
[15:14:55] <SamWhited> If it's just about compliance then that seems fine, but I think a NS bump might be necessary because you couldn't rely on their being IDs despite it being a MUST, no?
[15:15:10] <Kev> SamWhited: That's what the note would alert you to.
[15:15:20] *Ge0rG has to go off
[15:15:24] <SamWhited> oh right; sorry, need to catch up.
[15:15:32] <Kev> You can't really do anything useful with a receipt without an id anyway, even now.
[15:15:44] <Kev> Unless you're really building a synchronous system that can't have multiple messages in flight before an ack.
[15:16:08] <Kev> But I still need to OL to check it properly.
[15:16:14] <Kev> 5) Date of next
[15:16:16] <Kev> SBTSBC?
[15:16:47] <SamWhited> WFM
[15:17:31] <Kev> 6) AOB?
[15:17:32] <daniel> Should work for me. That's the day I'm coming back from vacation. But my plane is scheduled to land a few hours before the meeting
[15:17:40] <daniel> None from me
[15:18:07] <SamWhited> I apologize for being behind (on last week still too); I will try to catch up. Probably today, at the latest before Friday.
[15:18:31] <Kev> Right, I think we're done then. Thanks all :)
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[15:20:55] <peter> BTW if you ever think that my participation is needed (as XEP author), feel free to poke me via email or at-mention me at GitHub.
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[15:22:36] <Kev> Thanks Peter.
[15:23:49] <peter> I'm working on very different things these days (e.g., payments), but I'm always happy to help where needed.
[15:23:53] <jonasw> peter, while I have you here, have you received my email to trademark@?
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[15:27:18] <peter> I don't recall seeing it.
[15:27:22] <jonasw> mmm
[15:27:32] <peter> Those messages redirect to board@ and maybe it's in a queue.
[15:27:47] <jonasw> it’s from 2018-07-29
[15:28:22] <Kev> board@ is members-only, drop everything else, IIRC.
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[15:28:34] <jonasw> that would be unfortunate if trademark@ redirects there.
[15:28:38] <peter> Nope, we have an admin queue for that list.
[15:28:42] <peter> I clear it out every week or so.
[15:28:43] <Kev> So if trademark@ is redirecting there I suspect it's being less helpful than it might be.
[15:28:44] <Kev> Ah, ok.
[15:29:10] <Kev> I remember changing stuff for Laura a few years ago, but I guess we changed it back.
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[15:29:34] <peter> jonasw: please resend
[15:29:39] <peter> I think I deleted it in error
[15:29:47] <jonasw> did just now, peter
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[16:32:51] <peter> jonasw: received and approved (sorry about the delay, I was in a meeting)
[16:34:17] <jonasw> thank you :)
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