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Ge0rG
It looks like this day of the week again, and I'm more gone than here.
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SamWhited
I'm more gone than here, but I just started a cup of coffee so I should be here in the next 9 minutes
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Ge0rG
SamWhited: your timing is awesome. I don't have coffee, so nothing is going to change with my situation.
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SamWhited
For once, it's spot on
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Kev
Here.
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Kev
dwd?
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daniel
Here as well
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SamWhited
o/
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Kev
That's quorum, but not a Chair, maybe.
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Kev
Let me dig out the agenda.
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Kev
1) Roll call
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Kev
Me, Daniel, Sam. Ge0rG more not here than here.
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Kev
2) Agenda bashing.
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Kev
Cool
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Kev
3) https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/bookmarks-conversion.html
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Kev
I'm not sure about the implication in the intro that BM2 isn't widely adopted, but that PEP BMs are.
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Kev
(But that's not a blocking comment, naturally)
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Ge0rG
On list
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Zash
I think there are 3 client implementations actually.
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daniel
+1
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Kev
I'll be inclined to go straight to BM2, rather than ever implementing BM/PEP in Swift.
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daniel
Kev: I have so many issues with BM2...
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Kev
But I'm not blocking the protoXEP.
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Kev
(+1)
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daniel
But that's probably a discussion for another day
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Kev
daniel: I don't necessarily mean BM2 as-written, so that might be fair.
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SamWhited
+1
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Kev
4) LC on 359 (stanza IDs)
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Kev
I see no harm in issuing LCs in general, so +1.
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SamWhited
+1 for LC
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daniel
+1
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Kev
5) LC on 357 (push).
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Kev
Again, I see no harm in an LC (even if I don't think it's ready for advancement)
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Kev
+1
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daniel
I don't think it will make it
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daniel
But yeah we can issue it
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Ge0rG
+1 for both LCs
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Kev
The main reason not to is if we're convinced Council is going to -1 advancement, and we can save the Editor some work, I think.
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Kev
I suspect, rather than am convinced, that that's the case.
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Kev
SamWhited?
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Dave
Hiya, sorry - things a little hectic. :-(
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SamWhited
err, sorry +1 on LC for 357 too
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daniel
I'm fairly convinced that push will be -1 after the lc
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daniel
But still +1 for the lc
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Kev
k
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SamWhited
If nothing else it will help flush out feedback from the community, which isn't necessarily bad
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Kev
6) Date of next.
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Kev
(Sam: Indeed)
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Kev
SBTSBC?
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SamWhited
WFM
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Kev
7) AOB?
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Link Mauve
AOB from the floor: what is still missing for the MUC avatars conversion ProtoXEP?✎ -
Link Mauve
AOB from the floor: what is still missing for the MUC avatars ProtoXEP? ✏
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Kev
I fear I missed that one while I was on my nearly-a-month holiday of bliss :)
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Kev
(So I don't know)
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Kev
Anyone else?
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Kev
AFAICs, that had three +1s, and two on-lists a month ago.
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Kev
So unless someone vetod on-list, it's ready to publish.
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Kev
Let's see...
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Kev
Ah, Sam vetod.
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SamWhited
Do you have a link to that email? I'm struggling to find it
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Kev
"Re: [Standards] XMPP Council Meeting 2018-09-05" if that helps.
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Kev
It's the one in which you start by saying it's a great protoxep, and that you're vetoing it :)
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SamWhited
Found it, thanks
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SamWhited
ah yah, that's why, yup, I agree with myself still.
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Kev
FWIW, I think delaying things that make life a little bit better with avatars, in the hope that some day everything gets sorted out, is probably not the best way here.
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Kev
If people are doing this stuff anyway, interop is better than not, and provides a clear spec to deprecate later.
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Link Mauve
That was my reason for not going full on PEP and postpone this even more.
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SamWhited
I think it's as simple as mentioning that it can be done in one of the other avatar specs instead of completely re-hashing all of vcard-temp
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Kev
I'd rather, I think, we could say at some point in the future "Here are all the ways people do it already. We're now deprecating them all in favour of the One True Ring" than "Here are some of the ways, we're deprecating those, but lots of people did other things and we can't say anything about those".
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Link Mauve
SamWhited, so basically I should remove the examples, and only leave the disco and notification parts?
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SamWhited
Link Mauve: I don't think it should be a separate XEP at all
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Dave
I rather liked edhelas's suggestions for expanding this in such a way that it can do pubsub nodes and all sorts, personally.
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SamWhited
Having 4 or 5 different avatar specs already, I don't think adding another reduces that confusion.
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Link Mauve
You’d be in favour of adding discovery and MUC-specific notifications to e.g. XEP-0153?
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Link Mauve
Dave, so moving discovery to another XEP-0128 dataform?
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Kev
I think we've moved beyond Council discussion here and I'm inclined to close the meeting. Any objections?
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Link Mauve
None from me.
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SamWhited
Link Mauve: I'm not sure where the best place is; 0153 might be it. Or MUC itself.
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SamWhited
Kev: oops, one more AOB
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SamWhited
Is this a matter for council? https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/706
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SamWhited
There was some confusion about this a few weeks ago, updating to the new language would have fixed it and we've been doing it this way anyways
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Kev
I think that should be an agenda item, yes. For the next meeting.
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SamWhited
WFM, thanks.
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Kev
AOAOAOB?
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Kev
Right, we're done then. Thanks all!