XSF logo XMPP Council - 2018-10-03


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  304. Ge0rG It looks like this day of the week again, and I'm more gone than here.
  305. SamWhited I'm more gone than here, but I just started a cup of coffee so I should be here in the next 9 minutes
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  308. Ge0rG SamWhited: your timing is awesome. I don't have coffee, so nothing is going to change with my situation.
  309. SamWhited For once, it's spot on
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  311. Kev Here.
  312. Kev dwd?
  313. daniel Here as well
  314. SamWhited o/
  315. Kev That's quorum, but not a Chair, maybe.
  316. Kev Let me dig out the agenda.
  317. Kev 1) Roll call
  318. Kev Me, Daniel, Sam. Ge0rG more not here than here.
  319. Kev 2) Agenda bashing.
  320. Kev Cool
  321. Kev 3) https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/bookmarks-conversion.html
  322. Kev I'm not sure about the implication in the intro that BM2 isn't widely adopted, but that PEP BMs are.
  323. Kev (But that's not a blocking comment, naturally)
  324. Ge0rG On list
  325. Zash I think there are 3 client implementations actually.
  326. daniel +1
  327. Kev I'll be inclined to go straight to BM2, rather than ever implementing BM/PEP in Swift.
  328. daniel Kev: I have so many issues with BM2...
  329. Kev But I'm not blocking the protoXEP.
  330. Kev (+1)
  331. daniel But that's probably a discussion for another day
  332. Kev daniel: I don't necessarily mean BM2 as-written, so that might be fair.
  333. SamWhited +1
  334. Kev 4) LC on 359 (stanza IDs)
  335. Kev I see no harm in issuing LCs in general, so +1.
  336. SamWhited +1 for LC
  337. daniel +1
  338. Kev 5) LC on 357 (push).
  339. Kev Again, I see no harm in an LC (even if I don't think it's ready for advancement)
  340. Kev +1
  341. daniel I don't think it will make it
  342. daniel But yeah we can issue it
  343. Ge0rG +1 for both LCs
  344. Kev The main reason not to is if we're convinced Council is going to -1 advancement, and we can save the Editor some work, I think.
  345. Kev I suspect, rather than am convinced, that that's the case.
  346. Kev SamWhited?
  347. Dave Hiya, sorry - things a little hectic. :-(
  348. SamWhited err, sorry +1 on LC for 357 too
  349. daniel I'm fairly convinced that push will be -1 after the lc
  350. daniel But still +1 for the lc
  351. Kev k
  352. SamWhited If nothing else it will help flush out feedback from the community, which isn't necessarily bad
  353. Kev 6) Date of next.
  354. Kev (Sam: Indeed)
  355. Kev SBTSBC?
  356. SamWhited WFM
  357. Kev 7) AOB?
  358. Link Mauve AOB from the floor: what is still missing for the MUC avatars conversion ProtoXEP?
  359. Link Mauve AOB from the floor: what is still missing for the MUC avatars ProtoXEP?
  360. Kev I fear I missed that one while I was on my nearly-a-month holiday of bliss :)
  361. Kev (So I don't know)
  362. Kev Anyone else?
  363. Kev AFAICs, that had three +1s, and two on-lists a month ago.
  364. Kev So unless someone vetod on-list, it's ready to publish.
  365. Kev Let's see...
  366. Kev Ah, Sam vetod.
  367. SamWhited Do you have a link to that email? I'm struggling to find it
  368. Kev "Re: [Standards] XMPP Council Meeting 2018-09-05" if that helps.
  369. Kev It's the one in which you start by saying it's a great protoxep, and that you're vetoing it :)
  370. SamWhited Found it, thanks
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  372. SamWhited ah yah, that's why, yup, I agree with myself still.
  373. Kev FWIW, I think delaying things that make life a little bit better with avatars, in the hope that some day everything gets sorted out, is probably not the best way here.
  374. Kev If people are doing this stuff anyway, interop is better than not, and provides a clear spec to deprecate later.
  375. Link Mauve That was my reason for not going full on PEP and postpone this even more.
  376. SamWhited I think it's as simple as mentioning that it can be done in one of the other avatar specs instead of completely re-hashing all of vcard-temp
  377. Kev I'd rather, I think, we could say at some point in the future "Here are all the ways people do it already. We're now deprecating them all in favour of the One True Ring" than "Here are some of the ways, we're deprecating those, but lots of people did other things and we can't say anything about those".
  378. Link Mauve SamWhited, so basically I should remove the examples, and only leave the disco and notification parts?
  379. SamWhited Link Mauve: I don't think it should be a separate XEP at all
  380. Dave I rather liked edhelas's suggestions for expanding this in such a way that it can do pubsub nodes and all sorts, personally.
  381. SamWhited Having 4 or 5 different avatar specs already, I don't think adding another reduces that confusion.
  382. Link Mauve You’d be in favour of adding discovery and MUC-specific notifications to e.g. XEP-0153?
  383. Link Mauve Dave, so moving discovery to another XEP-0128 dataform?
  384. Kev I think we've moved beyond Council discussion here and I'm inclined to close the meeting. Any objections?
  385. Link Mauve None from me.
  386. SamWhited Link Mauve: I'm not sure where the best place is; 0153 might be it. Or MUC itself.
  387. SamWhited Kev: oops, one more AOB
  388. SamWhited Is this a matter for council? https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/706
  389. SamWhited There was some confusion about this a few weeks ago, updating to the new language would have fixed it and we've been doing it this way anyways
  390. Kev I think that should be an agenda item, yes. For the next meeting.
  391. SamWhited WFM, thanks.
  392. Kev AOAOAOB?
  393. Kev Right, we're done then. Thanks all!
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