XSF logo XMPP Council - 2018-10-31


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  91. jonas’ can anyone shed light on those: XEP-0234 (Jingle File Transfer), LC ends: 2017-12-12; https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0234.html XEP-0352 (Client State Indication), LC ends: 2017-12-21; https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0352.html XEP-0359 (Unique and Stable Stanza IDs), LC ends: 2018-11-03; https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0359.html XEP-0186 (Invisible Command), LC ends: 2017-12-21; https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0186.html XEP-0280 (Message Carbons), LC ends: 2018-02-22; https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0280.html XEP-0381 (Internet of Things Special Interest Group (IoT SIG)), LC ends: 2017-03-14; https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0381.html XEP-0363 (HTTP File Upload), LC ends: 2018-06-18; https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0363.html
  92. jonas’ they have open LCs, some for nearly a year now
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  100. dwd They fall into this wedge state of Proposed, mostly, I think. We did mean to do something about that problem. But XEP-0359, at least, is OK - that we can just vote on for Draft once its LC ends, can't we?
  101. jonas’ oh, I meant to elide that from the list
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  104. Berk jonas’, see also: https://github.com/xsf/xeps/issues/577
  105. Berk I recall a decision to push them back to experimental
  106. jonas’ reads minutes from that meeting
  107. dwd I can't even rememebr if we did vote to advance-or-not. But we cannot, under XEP-0001, push them back to Experimental unfortunately. I can't recall if we decided we probably could as long as nobody looked / we squinted / we bribed someone.
  108. jonas’ commit f196f9196183695aecc64279b1fb48281915daf4 (HEAD -> master) Author: Jonas Schäfer <j.wielicki@sotecware.net> Date: Wed Oct 31 16:54:36 2018 +0100 XEP-0352: move back to Experimental Concil vote from 2018-02-07.
  109. jonas’ no need to bribe
  110. jonas’ the process is clearly broken
  111. dwd Yeah. Technically counter to XEP-0001, though.
  112. jonas’ I suggest to ignore the process here and put fixing of hte process on the agenda
  113. dwd Actually, anyone can fix the process, but Board needs to approve the fix.
  114. jonas’ council might wanna think about what we want
  115. jonas’ also, don’t you even have a meeting in 5min?
  116. dwd We do indeed.
  117. dwd Although I didn't do an agenda because... well, I was on a train yesterday during my "Council Prep" slot, actually.
  118. dwd Tick... Tick...
  119. Kev Tock
  120. dwd 1) Is There Anybody Out There?
  121. daniel Hi
  122. jonas’ is, but nobody cares :)
  123. dwd I care. :-)
  124. jonas’ well, not the roll call and quorum check
  125. peter I'm confused. We've always just moved things back to Experimental.
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  127. dwd By fire and by brimstone, I call upon SamWhited.
  128. Ge0rG Good morning everyone!
  129. peter But I'll leave that up to the Board and Council to decide, I'm just an interloper at this point. ;-)
  130. dwd peter, Well, possibly we have. But according to XEP-0001...
  131. Kev peter: We always have. Our process says we can't, but we always have.
  132. peter goes back to $dayjob stuff
  133. jonas’ points at peter and shouts "Interloper!"
  134. SamWhited oops, here
  135. dwd Ge0rG, Morning?
  136. dwd OK, full house.
  137. Ge0rG dwd: it's morning in UGT
  138. dwd 2) Items for a vote.
  139. dwd I don't *think* we have any, but I confess I didn't do much prep for this meeting as I was on leave yesterday and Monday.
  140. Ge0rG Somebody ought to sort out the Spreadsheet of Doom to determine the actually expired votes and to put them up for re-election
  141. dwd Yes, that's very much on me to do.
  142. Ge0rG dwd: is it also on your todo?
  143. dwd Ge0rG, It's on my to do list to put it on my todo list, yes.
  144. dwd But in the absence of anything to actually vote on:
  145. Ge0rG ...to put it on the Agenda.
  146. dwd 4) AOB
  147. dwd Wait.
  148. dwd 3) AOB
  149. dwd I lost count.
  150. Ge0rG There are Council elections upcoming.
  151. Kev AOB: Decison on number systems to use for counting agendums.
  152. dwd Yes, and currently candidates are... sparse.
  153. jonas’ AOB: reminder of the currently in progress and not yet expired LC
  154. Ge0rG Actually, the next Council meeting will be after the closing of the Council election candidate submission deadline.
  155. jonas’ specifically: XEP-0357 (Push Notifications), LC ends: 2018-11-03; https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0357.html XEP-0359 (Unique and Stable Stanza IDs), LC ends: 2018-11-03; https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0359.html
  156. dwd Ge0rG, That;'s a good point. So anyone wishing to stand for next year's Council really should do the Wiki thing and stand soon.
  157. dwd jonas’, Thanks, so noted.
  158. Kev That ... is sparse, yes.
  159. dwd I actually have no idea what happens if Council and/or Board are undermanned - I think Council and Board are empowered to co-opt, at that point. Not something I really want to have to deal with.
  160. Ge0rG What happens if there are not enough candidates? Total breakdown or will we be "volunteered" for another year of service?
  161. Kev It's up-to the number.
  162. Kev From memory.
  163. Kev Although a Council of Just Dave would probably be a bad thing.
  164. jonas’ it would be Dave and Link Mauve
  165. dwd In any case, do stand if you can, and encourage others to stand.
  166. jonas’ what about the current council members? nobody wanna re-run except Dave?
  167. Kev I don't think Link Mauve has written an application yet.
  168. Ge0rG I'll volunteer, however I didn't want to just copy last years page.
  169. dwd Kev, Indeed, he technically hasn't actually stood.
  170. Ge0rG Also no stickers nor banners yet.
  171. jonas’ he strongly intends to
  172. dwd Anyway - AOAOB?
  173. Link Mauve Kev, I started writing one at least.
  174. Kev None here.
  175. dwd OK, so:
  176. dwd N+1) Next Meeting
  177. Link Mauve I’m four full days early!
  178. jonas’ Link Mauve, why do you always have to keep the suspense up
  179. Kev SBTSBC?
  180. dwd I cannot actually make this time next week; for some reason I've had a meeting plonked on top of it.
  181. SamWhited WFM
  182. Kev Someone poke me shortly before the deadline if we're still short of candidates and I'll think seriously whether I can afford the time.
  183. dwd So if we do next week, someone else will need to herd the cats.
  184. dwd Kev, *poke*
  185. jonas’ DST change in US?
  186. Kev Actually, I can't next week either, just realised. I shall be in the car, I think.
  187. dwd Kev, Mobile XMPP?
  188. Ge0rG Don't chat and drive!
  189. Kev Probably unwise while driving, I think.
  190. Ge0rG Or use yaxim with Android Auto.
  191. dwd Kev, Speech to text? "I vote plus one. Shit, you idiot, who taught you to drive."
  192. dwd Anyway, are the remainder happy to meet, or should we skip next week?
  193. Kev When is the last meeting of term?
  194. Kev Not until the week after that, I think?
  195. dwd 2018-11-21 I make it.
  196. Kev Week+1 then, works for me.
  197. daniel i’m fine with next week
  198. dwd We have three Wednesdays remaining until the end of the world.
  199. daniel but i can’t do the one after that
  200. SamWhited Me: "Send: 'I vote plus one'", STT: "We sent: 'I vape Klause for fun'"
  201. daniel so i'd rather not skip next week
  202. dwd OK, let's assume next week is on, then.
  203. dwd So that's 2018-11-07 16:00 UTC.
  204. dwd N+1) Ite, Meeting Est
  205. dwd Thanks all.
  206. Kev Thanks.
  207. Ge0rG Thanks!
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  263. pep. "jonas’> Link Mauve, why do you always have to keep the suspense up" haha, this
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