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[15:00:16] <jonas’> can anyone shed light on those:
XEP-0234 (Jingle File Transfer), LC ends: 2017-12-12; https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0234.html
XEP-0352 (Client State Indication), LC ends: 2017-12-21; https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0352.html
XEP-0359 (Unique and Stable Stanza IDs), LC ends: 2018-11-03; https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0359.html
XEP-0186 (Invisible Command), LC ends: 2017-12-21; https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0186.html
XEP-0280 (Message Carbons), LC ends: 2018-02-22; https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0280.html
XEP-0381 (Internet of Things Special Interest Group (IoT SIG)), LC ends: 2017-03-14; https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0381.html
XEP-0363 (HTTP File Upload), LC ends: 2018-06-18; https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0363.html
[15:00:27] <jonas’> they have open LCs, some for nearly a year now
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[15:44:58] <dwd> They fall into this wedge state of Proposed, mostly, I think. We did mean to do something about that problem. But XEP-0359, at least, is OK - that we can just vote on for Draft once its LC ends, can't we?
[15:45:43] <jonas’> oh, I meant to elide that from the list
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[15:50:24] <Berk> jonas’, see also: https://github.com/xsf/xeps/issues/577
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[15:53:01] <Berk> I recall a decision to push them back to experimental
[15:53:19] *jonas’ reads minutes from that meeting
[15:54:49] <dwd> I can't even rememebr if we did vote to advance-or-not. But we cannot, under XEP-0001, push them back to Experimental unfortunately. I can't recall if we decided we probably could as long as nobody looked / we squinted / we bribed someone.
[15:55:17] <jonas’> commit f196f9196183695aecc64279b1fb48281915daf4 (HEAD -> master)
Author: Jonas Schäfer <j.wielicki@sotecware.net>
Date: Wed Oct 31 16:54:36 2018 +0100

XEP-0352: move back to Experimental

Concil vote from 2018-02-07.
[15:55:29] <jonas’> no need to bribe
[15:55:40] <jonas’> the process is clearly broken
[15:55:46] <dwd> Yeah. Technically counter to XEP-0001, though.
[15:55:48] <jonas’> I suggest to ignore the process here and put fixing of hte process on the agenda
[15:56:06] <dwd> Actually, anyone can fix the process, but Board needs to approve the fix.
[15:56:16] <jonas’> council might wanna think about what we want
[15:56:22] <jonas’> also, don’t you even have a meeting in 5min?
[15:56:27] <dwd> We do indeed.
[15:57:29] <dwd> Although I didn't do an agenda because... well, I was on a train yesterday during my "Council Prep" slot, actually.
[15:59:07] <dwd> Tick... Tick...
[16:00:00] <Kev> Tock
[16:00:01] <dwd> 1) Is There Anybody Out There?
[16:00:06] <daniel> Hi
[16:00:13] *jonas’ is, but nobody cares :)
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[16:00:20] <dwd> I care. :-)
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[16:00:32] <jonas’> well, not the roll call and quorum check
[16:00:38] <peter> I'm confused. We've always just moved things back to Experimental.
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[16:00:52] <dwd> By fire and by brimstone, I call upon SamWhited.
[16:00:55] <Ge0rG> Good morning everyone!
[16:00:59] <peter> But I'll leave that up to the Board and Council to decide, I'm just an interloper at this point. ;-)
[16:01:09] <dwd> peter, Well, possibly we have. But according to XEP-0001...
[16:01:11] <Kev> peter: We always have. Our process says we can't, but we always have.
[16:01:13] *peter goes back to $dayjob stuff
[16:01:16] *jonas’ points at peter and shouts "Interloper!"
[16:01:32] <SamWhited> oops, here
[16:01:34] <dwd> Ge0rG, Morning?
[16:01:38] <dwd> OK, full house.
[16:01:43] <Ge0rG> dwd: it's morning in UGT
[16:01:46] <dwd> 2) Items for a vote.
[16:02:21] <dwd> I don't *think* we have any, but I confess I didn't do much prep for this meeting as I was on leave yesterday and Monday.
[16:02:33] <Ge0rG> Somebody ought to sort out the Spreadsheet of Doom to determine the actually expired votes and to put them up for re-election
[16:02:43] <dwd> Yes, that's very much on me to do.
[16:02:57] <Ge0rG> dwd: is it also on your todo?
[16:03:16] <dwd> Ge0rG, It's on my to do list to put it on my todo list, yes.
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[16:03:35] <dwd> But in the absence of anything to actually vote on:
[16:03:37] <Ge0rG> ...to put it on the Agenda.
[16:03:38] <dwd> 4) AOB
[16:03:44] <dwd> Wait.
[16:03:47] <dwd> 3) AOB
[16:03:54] <dwd> I lost count.
[16:03:55] <Ge0rG> There are Council elections upcoming.
[16:04:04] <Kev> AOB: Decison on number systems to use for counting agendums.
[16:04:08] <dwd> Yes, and currently candidates are... sparse.
[16:04:15] <jonas’> AOB: reminder of the currently in progress and not yet expired LC
[16:04:30] <Ge0rG> Actually, the next Council meeting will be after the closing of the Council election candidate submission deadline.
[16:04:31] <jonas’> specifically:
XEP-0357 (Push Notifications), LC ends: 2018-11-03; https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0357.html
XEP-0359 (Unique and Stable Stanza IDs), LC ends: 2018-11-03; https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0359.html
[16:05:13] <dwd> Ge0rG, That;'s a good point. So anyone wishing to stand for next year's Council really should do the Wiki thing and stand soon.
[16:05:32] <dwd> jonas’, Thanks, so noted.
[16:05:34] <Kev> That ... is sparse, yes.
[16:06:43] <dwd> I actually have no idea what happens if Council and/or Board are undermanned - I think Council and Board are empowered to co-opt, at that point. Not something I really want to have to deal with.
[16:06:48] <Ge0rG> What happens if there are not enough candidates? Total breakdown or will we be "volunteered" for another year of service?
[16:07:01] <Kev> It's up-to the number.
[16:07:04] <Kev> From memory.
[16:07:18] <Kev> Although a Council of Just Dave would probably be a bad thing.
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[16:07:41] <jonas’> it would be Dave and Link Mauve
[16:07:49] <dwd> In any case, do stand if you can, and encourage others to stand.
[16:07:49] <jonas’> what about the current council members? nobody wanna re-run except Dave?
[16:07:56] <Kev> I don't think Link Mauve has written an application yet.
[16:08:06] <Ge0rG> I'll volunteer, however I didn't want to just copy last years page.
[16:08:09] <dwd> Kev, Indeed, he technically hasn't actually stood.
[16:08:12] <Ge0rG> Also no stickers nor banners yet.
[16:08:22] <jonas’> he strongly intends to
[16:08:24] <dwd> Anyway - AOAOB?
[16:09:14] <Link Mauve> Kev, I started writing one at least.
[16:09:15] <Kev> None here.
[16:09:23] <dwd> OK, so:
[16:09:29] <dwd> N+1) Next Meeting
[16:09:32] <Link Mauve> I’m four full days early!
[16:09:53] <jonas’> Link Mauve, why do you always have to keep the suspense up
[16:09:54] <Kev> SBTSBC?
[16:10:00] <dwd> I cannot actually make this time next week; for some reason I've had a meeting plonked on top of it.
[16:10:01] <SamWhited> WFM
[16:10:17] <Kev> Someone poke me shortly before the deadline if we're still short of candidates and I'll think seriously whether I can afford the time.
[16:10:17] <dwd> So if we do next week, someone else will need to herd the cats.
[16:10:27] <dwd> Kev, *poke*
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[16:10:32] <jonas’> DST change in US?
[16:10:34] <Kev> Actually, I can't next week either, just realised. I shall be in the car, I think.
[16:10:56] <dwd> Kev, Mobile XMPP?
[16:11:09] <Ge0rG> Don't chat and drive!
[16:11:09] <Kev> Probably unwise while driving, I think.
[16:11:15] <Ge0rG> Or use yaxim with Android Auto.
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[16:13:19] <dwd> Kev, Speech to text? "I vote plus one. Shit, you idiot, who taught you to drive."
[16:13:43] <dwd> Anyway, are the remainder happy to meet, or should we skip next week?
[16:13:53] <Kev> When is the last meeting of term?
[16:14:02] <Kev> Not until the week after that, I think?
[16:14:04] <dwd> 2018-11-21 I make it.
[16:14:17] <Kev> Week+1 then, works for me.
[16:14:17] <daniel> i’m fine with next week
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[16:14:21] <dwd> We have three Wednesdays remaining until the end of the world.
[16:14:23] <daniel> but i can’t do the one after that
[16:14:26] <SamWhited> Me: "Send: 'I vote plus one'", STT: "We sent: 'I vape Klause for fun'"
[16:14:31] <daniel> so i'd rather not skip next week
[16:15:53] <dwd> OK, let's assume next week is on, then.
[16:16:11] <dwd> So that's 2018-11-07 16:00 UTC.
[16:16:25] <dwd> N+1) Ite, Meeting Est
[16:16:27] <dwd> Thanks all.
[16:16:53] <Kev> Thanks.
[16:19:37] <Ge0rG> Thanks!
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[21:20:55] <pep.> "jonas’> Link Mauve, why do you always have to keep the suspense up" haha, this
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