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XMPP Council Room | https://xmpp.org/about/xmpp-standards-foundation#council | Room logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/council/ | https://trello.com/b/ww7zWMlI/xmpp-council-agenda

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[09:08:32] <dwd> Link Mauve, jonas’ - can you two update your bios on the website here, please: https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/blob/master/content/pages/about/xmpp-standards-foundation.md - editing directly in Github works well, so it shouldn't take either of you long.
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[09:17:29] <goffi> hi
[09:18:07] <Ge0rG> uh-oh! 😁
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[09:20:16] <dwd> goffi, If you're about to argue your case for the ProtoXEP, you're more than welcome (and indeed encouraged), but could you do so somewhere more visible (xsf@ perhaps?) in case others want to chip in.
[09:20:43] <jonas’> dwd, it’s on my todo, will do when I’m at home
[09:20:51] <jonas’> I don’t have my credentials with me
[09:21:08] <Ge0rG> dwd, goffi: I'd argue for standards@ instead of a MUC
[09:21:50] <dwd> Ge0rG, That would also be good, but sometimes the immediacy of a MUC is useful.
[09:22:19] <Ge0rG> okay, I don't oppose to moving that to xsf@ under the condition that it will be written up to standards@ in the end
[09:23:39] <Ge0rG> I haven't read up the previous discussion on standards@ yet, and I will do so ASAP
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[09:26:03] <goffi> dwd: no I just came to see the logs, I'll defend the case on xsf mailing list which is the right location in my opinion. But I'm work now, so it's not the right time :)
[09:26:28] <Ge0rG> goffi: I tend to read up logs on http://logs.xmpp.org/council/
[09:26:39] <goffi> I mean standard mailing list of course
[09:26:58] <dwd> goffi, Great, thanks.
[09:27:05] <goffi> Ge0rG: yes I didn't knew the link, I've found it in the subject (it's probably on the wiki too I suppose).
[09:27:09] <goffi> know*
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[09:27:46] <Ge0rG> :)
[09:27:51] <goffi> I'll wait for the minutes first anyway.
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[09:46:18] <Guus> Hello Council
[09:46:52] <Guus> I noted that in the last weeks, you considerably structured the way you're doing things
[09:47:14] <Guus> Thanks for doing that
[09:47:58] <Guus> Would now perhaps be a good time to include updating https://xmpp.org/about/xsf/records/council-votes/ in your effort?
[09:48:44] <Guus> There's a huge gap, but if we choose to start record things again, we might be able to fill the gap from history too
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[09:49:40] <Guus> I'd love for our work to be more visible - keeping track of votes on the website would help.
[09:49:47] <Ge0rG> Guus: we have a Spreadsheet of Doom from last year's Council
[09:50:01] <Ge0rG> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AZ-Sna6OiRG--b-mJMKv3XXfrn3Nehm0kAtlyJvImL0/edit#gid=0
[09:52:54] <Guus> Ge0rG Backporting I can do - but I'd first like to see if we can fit in an update to these pages in your 'regular process'
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[09:53:57] <Ge0rG> Guus: we can barely keep up with the 'regular process' ATM
[09:54:32] <Guus> I think you're selling yourself short there, Ge0rG 🙂
[09:54:59] <Guus> but if Council deems it not feasible, then I won't press
[09:55:16] <dwd> I can look into it.
[09:56:49] <Guus> Thanks Dave
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[10:05:31] <jonas’> I would so love to automate all of that
[10:05:39] <jonas’> including our voting process
[10:05:56] <jonas’> dwd, you seem rather occupied, mind if I take a shot at a voting bot?
[10:06:54] <dwd> I have half of one written in slixmpp, but I imagine you'd prefer a different library?
[10:07:04] <dwd> But yes, you'd be welcome.
[10:10:55] <Guus>
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[10:17:22] <Ge0rG> That would be really awesome.
[10:17:36] <Ge0rG> Will it have Simple Buttons? 😁
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[10:18:59] <Zash> Where'd that go anyways
[10:19:19] <Ge0rG> somebody fix XEP-0004
[10:19:48] <Zash> It's about forms, not actions.
[10:20:03] <Ge0rG> actions are a subset of forms
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[10:20:23] <Zash> But at the same time a superset
[10:20:30] <Zash> Or maybe a sideset
[10:20:37] <Ge0rG> can we have a DAG of that?
[10:20:53] <Zash> Only if it's signed with a PoW algorithm
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[10:21:37] <Zash> If clicking that button doesn't waste at least as much as the annual power consumption of Dennmark then I'm not even interested
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[10:28:11] *Ge0rG once started to write a proto-XEP for using PoW to approve message delivery and to monetize the XMPP server at the same time
[10:28:25] <Ge0rG> I wish I had the time to finish it.
[10:28:36] <Ge0rG> had had?
[10:29:24] <Kev> Yes, English being weird.
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[10:30:37] <Ge0rG> Not the weirdest of languages.
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[17:30:10] <pep.> Do we not have a voting bot already, can it not be made for a more general purpose rather
[17:30:46] <pep.> Link Mauve, you had patches for it btw
[17:30:56] <Zash> I also distinctly remember Kev having made some council bot
[17:31:10] <Zash> maybe it only did the agenda tho
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[17:39:00] <Kev> It was agenda-based. You put stuff on the agenda during the week, and typed !next repeatedly in the meeting to go through items.
[17:49:46] <SouL> Which sounds very nice
[18:03:11] <Kev> It was amusing enough. I'm not sure it was the single biggest productivity gain in the world :)
[18:04:17] <SouL> Haha
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